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Thread: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There's a solution for that though. She can just realize what an idiotic religion it is and walk away too.

    Ummm not quite the solution from a public employee issuing a marriage license.


    That has to do with the Public Employee refusing service based on their religious beliefs and denying a marriage license to someone that is divorced against the Public Employees religious beliefs.


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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I used to be a Christian for a very long time, then I grew up. So yes, I do understand. But this is the point, she is doing it to herself, nobody is holding a gun to her head and forcing her to profess this particular faith. Apparently your brother didn't have a problem walking away from something he believed for a long time. Yes, it's her choice, but you also have to acknowledge her part in that choice and her responsibility for what happens to her because of that choice.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Ummm not quite the solution from a public employee issuing a marriage license.


    That has to do with the Public Employee refusing service based on their religious beliefs and denying a marriage license to someone that is divorced against the Public Employees religious beliefs.


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    Actually, it can be a solution there too. People who would rather keep their jobs can either change their religious views or go find jobs that do not conflict with them.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Actually, it can be a solution there too. People who would rather keep their jobs can either change their religious views or go find jobs that do not conflict with them.
    Or if they have a good manager and are a good, otherwise contributing employee, the manager can help get them a transfer.

    People are transferred and reassigned when they don't get along with someone else (including co-workers and managers), can't fulfill all of the specific duties, aren't the right fit, etc. Options abound.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Or if they have a good manager and are a good, otherwise contributing employee, the manager can help get them a transfer.

    People are transferred and reassigned when they don't get along with someone else (including co-workers and managers), can't fulfill all of the specific duties, aren't the right fit, etc. Options abound.
    And that's possible too. But there are people who have gone into fields that aren't really transferrable. What do you do when you're a pharmacist and refuse to give anyone any birth control? Where can that training transfer? I'm all in favor of finding alternate places where these people can't affect the public with their religious prejudices, but when that's not possible, what then?
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And that's possible too. But there are people who have gone into fields that aren't really transferrable. What do you do when you're a pharmacist and refuse to give anyone any birth control? Where can that training transfer? I'm all in favor of finding alternate places where these people can't affect the public with their religious prejudices, but when that's not possible, what then?
    Pharmacists who work for corporate chains (CVS etc.) have back ups. And they can possibly be transferred to a different role but I have no idea because I don't work in that field.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Pharmacists who work for corporate chains (CVS etc.) have back ups. And they can possibly be transferred to a different role but I have no idea because I don't work in that field.
    No, actually, if you walk into a Walmart, there is only one pharmacist on duty at any time and according to new rules they have (which I think are stupid), the cashier is unable to hand you the prescription you just paid for, the pharmacist has to do it, at least that's what I was told last Friday when I picked up a prescription for my wife and was told the cashier couldn't just slide it into the bag, the pharmacist had to do it.

    So what happens when the one and only pharmacist, the only person who is able to give you your prescription for birth control (which is one of the things I was picking up), refuses to do it, declaring it's against their religious convictions?
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Ted Cruz is just plain kooky.
    No...he's not kooky. Kooky is strange or eccentric. Cruz is neither. His position, while wrong, is neither strange nor eccentric.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, actually, if you walk into a Walmart, there is only one pharmacist on duty at any time and according to new rules they have (which I think are stupid), the cashier is unable to hand you the prescription you just paid for, the pharmacist has to do it, at least that's what I was told last Friday when I picked up a prescription for my wife and was told the cashier couldn't just slide it into the bag, the pharmacist had to do it.

    So what happens when the one and only pharmacist, the only person who is able to give you your prescription for birth control (which is one of the things I was picking up), refuses to do it, declaring it's against their religious convictions?
    I'll take your word for it as I have never gotten a prescription filled in Walmart. In CVS here in NH the pharmacist doesn't give out our prescriptions. Most of them go through the drive up window from the cashiers. I never see the pharmacist unless I go inside, and even then he/she is in the back working.

    I can't answer the hypothetical about the pharmacist filling birth control pills. I guess we'll see when it happens.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    No...he's not kooky. Kooky is strange or eccentric. Cruz is neither. His position, while wrong, is neither strange nor eccentric.
    Um, okay, well I happen to find a candidate for the office of the President of the United States recommending to people that they ignore something that the Supreme Court of the United States says is Constitutional to be a kooky thing for many reasons. To you it isn't. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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