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  • A clerk that refuses to issue a marriage license to a same sex couple because they are a Christian.

    50 92.59%
  • A clerk that refuses to issue a permit to a slaughterhouse because they are a Buddhist.

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  • A clerk that refuses to issue a liquor license because they are a Muslim.

    52 96.30%
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Thread: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Catholics are that way - they aren't supposed to remarry. The Pope has to approve an annulment for someone to remarry. My parents religion also is that way, but is much more strict. If two people are married, and one walks away, the other has to stay single for the rest of their life, until the spouse who left dies. That's the only way people in that religion can remarry. Personally I think it's a little much. My brother used to be in that religion, was married to a great girl for 20 years, who was also in that religion. They had 2 kids, a successful business, etc. Then he decided to leave her for his secretary. He walks away from the religion, the family, everything. He now can do whatever he wants, but his ex-wife is stuck being single for the rest of her life, if she follows her religion. She's young, too. 40 and very pretty. I feel sorry for her.
    There's a solution for that though. She can just realize what an idiotic religion it is and walk away too.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There's a solution for that though. She can just realize what an idiotic religion it is and walk away too.
    That's her choice. Not yours. Nobody is telling you how to live your life, so you don't get to tell her how to live hers.

    I admire her discipline. I couldn't (or wouldn't) do it because I don't believe the way she does. But I give her props for living the way she has for as long as she has. She has faced a lot of adversity over the last 5 years or so, and she still hasn't given up.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    That's her choice. Not yours. Nobody is telling you how to live your life, so you don't get to tell her how to live hers.

    I admire her discipline. I couldn't (or wouldn't) do it because I don't believe the way she does. But I give her props for living the way she has for as long as she has. She has faced a lot of adversity over the last 5 years or so, and she still hasn't given up.
    I didn't say anything of the sort, I presented it as an option. You sit there and say you feel so sorry for her when the power to avoid this awful fate is in her own hands, then you get mad at me for pointing it out. Stop being so super-sensitive.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I didn't say anything of the sort, I presented it as an option. You sit there and say you feel so sorry for her when the power to avoid this awful fate is in her own hands, then you get mad at me for pointing it out. Stop being so super-sensitive.
    Or maybe you could stop being so insensitive. It's her faith and it's been with her for 40 years. You aren't a person of faith, so I know that you don't understand, but someone who has had this way of life their entire life can't (or won't) walk away from it anymore than one could expect you to wake up one morning and decide to become a God-fearing Christian.

    And I didn't get mad at you.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Catholics are that way - they aren't supposed to remarry. The Pope has to approve an annulment for someone to remarry. My parents religion also is that way, but is much more strict. If two people are married, and one walks away, the other has to stay single for the rest of their life, until the spouse who left dies. That's the only way people in that religion can remarry. Personally I think it's a little much. My brother used to be in that religion, was married to a great girl for 20 years, who was also in that religion. They had 2 kids, a successful business, etc. Then he decided to leave her for his secretary. He walks away from the religion, the family, everything. He now can do whatever he wants, but his ex-wife is stuck being single for the rest of her life, if she follows her religion. She's young, too. 40 and very pretty. I feel sorry for her.


    That is the paradox of the Roman Church argument. They insist the marriage is intact despite decades of separation while ignoring the other "sin" of living together in civic union.

    It has been taught that the Romans base that no remarry clause on "what I have brought together, let no man put asunder". They assume that because THEY performed a ceremony He was in it. From personal experience I have to ask how that can be, as Jesus was also clear no one will stand between and his sheep....in other words he ended "divine clergy", that and the fact the guy who performed my first marriage was as drunk as a skunk
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Or maybe you could stop being so insensitive. It's her faith and it's been with her for 40 years. You aren't a person of faith, so I know that you don't understand, but someone who has had this way of life their entire life can't (or won't) walk away from it anymore than one could expect you to wake up one morning and decide to become a God-fearing Christian.

    And I didn't get mad at you.
    I used to be a Christian for a very long time, then I grew up. So yes, I do understand. But this is the point, she is doing it to herself, nobody is holding a gun to her head and forcing her to profess this particular faith. Apparently your brother didn't have a problem walking away from something he believed for a long time. Yes, it's her choice, but you also have to acknowledge her part in that choice and her responsibility for what happens to her because of that choice.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    How the hell did this thread get on the topic of Catholic marriage and who cares? It doesn't have anything to do with Muslims who work for the government not giving out liquor licenses.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Thanks. I honestly wasn't aware that this was going on.

    Those clerks in Kentucky are making three mistakes, in my opinion. They are denying same-sex couples the ability to be married and they are punishing opposite-sex couples by not issuing them licenses, as well. Since they are citing religious grounds for their action, that makes them hypocrites. They are also not doing their job.

    Cruz is just plain wrong.

    Religious viewpoints have no place in a public office and public employees who cannot separate their religious views from the job they hold, need to resign...or be fired.
    Ted Cruz is just plain kooky.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    OK, this is a multiple choice, so select all that you feel applies. Which of the hypothetical public employees should be fire or moved to a different position for not doing their job?
    All four of them. Not immediately, but they should be disciplined, and if they keep it up, they should be fired.

    If your job is to do X, and your religion forbids doing X, don't take the job. If your job didn't used to require you to do X, that's too bad, but now it does, so you should find a new job. Your religion isn't a valid reason to avoid doing your job duties and not get fired. This is no different that people who are required to work on religious holidays.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    That is the paradox of the Roman Church argument. They insist the marriage is intact despite decades of separation while ignoring the other "sin" of living together in civic union.

    It has been taught that the Romans base that no remarry clause on "what I have brought together, let no man put asunder". They assume that because THEY performed a ceremony He was in it. From personal experience I have to ask how that can be, as Jesus was also clear no one will stand between and his sheep....in other words he ended "divine clergy", that and the fact the guy who performed my first marriage was as drunk as a skunk
    I don't know - I'm not Catholic, but did ask my husband about it, and he mentioned how Jackie Kennedy had to go to the Pope to get an annulment so she could marry Onassis.

    I do know quite a bit about the religion my sister-in-law is in. Most of my family is in that religion, so I know how seriously they take it.
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