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  • A clerk that refuses to issue a marriage license to a same sex couple because they are a Christian.

    50 92.59%
  • A clerk that refuses to issue a permit to a slaughterhouse because they are a Buddhist.

    50 92.59%
  • A clerk that refuses to issue a liquor license because they are a Muslim.

    52 96.30%
  • A clerk that refuses to issue a drilling permit because they are a wiccan.

    49 90.74%
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Thread: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And I have no problem with that either..

    However, I do have a problem with people working for the government and bringing their religion into government service, where it does not belong.

    Which is why, I am probably NOT going to vote at all in the Presidential election that is upcoming. I disagree with all the Democrats and all the republicans are right ready to Preside over our government using their own personal religious beliefs and holding the rest of us to them.
    You need to look at George Pataki, who I believe I am voting for in the NH primary. He is as non-religious as I am. I don't know where you live so he may not even make it to your state's primary.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, just a senior manager in a company with over 30,000 worldwide employees, and someone who doesn't detest people with religious beliefs. If I worked for a government agency and I had a great employee I'd probably do the same thing. I'm one of those non-compassionate conservative types.
    No one here has shown that they detest people with religious beliefs. Most of us have religious beliefs. The difference is that we don't expect others to cater to our religious beliefs above all else. This is even more true when it is a government job the person holds.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    The "public employee" who devised this inane poll !
    Try again, be more honest and try to achieve something positive .

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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I want to be clear that I haven't been following this whole SSM issue much. I know the Supremes made a ruling on the issue recently, but I wasn't aware that any public employees have said they are going to do what you say they will.

    Do you have a link to some news article or something that can give me more info?
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, just a senior manager in a company with over 30,000 worldwide employees, and someone who doesn't detest people with religious beliefs. If I worked for a government agency and I had a great employee I'd probably do the same thing. I'm one of those non-compassionate conservative types.
    I don't detest people for their religious beliefs. Most of my friends are religious to some degree or another. I do however believe that a public employee must not discriminate in their job regardless of their own personal beliefs and if they cannot do that, they need to find another profession.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Thanks. I honestly wasn't aware that this was going on.

    Those clerks in Kentucky are making three mistakes, in my opinion. They are denying same-sex couples the ability to be married and they are punishing opposite-sex couples by not issuing them licenses, as well. Since they are citing religious grounds for their action, that makes them hypocrites. They are also not doing their job.

    Cruz is just plain wrong.

    Religious viewpoints have no place in a public office and public employees who cannot separate their religious views from the job they hold, need to resign...or be fired.
    TANSTAAFL

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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Thanks. I honestly wasn't aware that this was going on.

    Those clerks in Kentucky are making three mistakes, in my opinion. They are denying same-sex couples the ability to be married and they are punishing opposite-sex couples by not issuing them licenses, as well. Since they are citing religious grounds for their action, that makes them hypocrites. They are also not doing their job.

    Cruz is just plain wrong.

    Religious viewpoints have no place in a public office and public employees who cannot separate their religious views from the job they hold, need to resign...or be fired.
    So a POTUS who claims to be "on a mission from God" needs to resign or be impeached?
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    So a POTUS who claims to be "on a mission from God" needs to resign or be impeached?
    Or voted out of office...that's how most Presidents are fired.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    So a POTUS who claims to be "on a mission from God" needs to resign or be impeached?
    You'd get no argument from me that he didn't deserve to be in office. You probably couldn't impeach him, he has to actually break the law to be impeached, but anyone who says their imaginary friend tells them what to do has no business being elected in the first place.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, an adulterer can be someone who is legally divorced but viewed as still married in the eyes of certain religious people or even whole religions.

    BIBLE VERSES ABOUT ADULTERY AND DIVORCE

    Matthew 19:9 - And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

    You don't think there are Christians out there that take this verse seriously to mean that it doesn't matter if they get legally divorced, unless the Church approves an annulment, they are still married, and therefore committing adultery if they get married to someone else?

    It's pretty easy to see how some people would consider it adultery even if there was a legal divorce.
    Catholics are that way - they aren't supposed to remarry. The Pope has to approve an annulment for someone to remarry. My parents religion also is that way, but is much more strict. If two people are married, and one walks away, the other has to stay single for the rest of their life, until the spouse who left dies. That's the only way people in that religion can remarry. Personally I think it's a little much. My brother used to be in that religion, was married to a great girl for 20 years, who was also in that religion. They had 2 kids, a successful business, etc. Then he decided to leave her for his secretary. He walks away from the religion, the family, everything. He now can do whatever he wants, but his ex-wife is stuck being single for the rest of her life, if she follows her religion. She's young, too. 40 and very pretty. I feel sorry for her.
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