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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I believe we would all be better off if the notion of one person owning another had never sprung into existence anywhere on Earth ever.
    Probably so.
    But, the concept has existed for thousands of years and across many different cultures.
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Probably so.
    But, the concept has existed for thousands of years and across many different cultures.
    Oh, yes.

    Group dynamics are a bitch.
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Oh, yes.

    Group dynamics are a bitch.
    Yes, they are.
    Particularly when group dynamics lead to war, which has happened pretty frequently in human history.
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Historically speaking there's really no reason why that couldn't be true. Slave owners did have sex with their slaves, so the idea that Obama could be related to slave owners is hardly crazy.
    Obama's mother was white.
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Seems I could be a descendant of slaves as well. Most of my family came from Scotland:

    A famous history professor stated that history was not a science but a continuing investigation into the past; a person’s conclusion is based on their own bias. This story will offer evidence that the Alba, Scots, Irish and Pics have been the longest race held in slavery. The reader will be responsible for their own bias pertaining to White Slavery.
    Faith and begorrah, I had no idea! Bring on those reparations!
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Obama's mother was white.
    ...who might have been descended from black slaves in the US.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/us...ests.html?_r=1

    WASHINGTON — President Obama’s biography — son of a black father from Kenya and a white mother from Kansas — has long suggested that unlike most African-Americans, his roots did not include slavery.

    Now a team of genealogists is upending that thinking, saying that Mr. Obama’s mother had, in addition to her European ancestors, at least one African forebear and that the president is most likely descended from one of the first documented African slaves in the United States.

    The findings are scheduled to be announced on Monday by Ancestry.com, a genealogy company based in Provo, Utah. Its team, while lacking definitive proof, said it had evidence that “strongly suggests” Mr. Obama’s family tree — on his mother’s side — stretches back nearly four centuries to a slave in colonial Virginia named John Punch.

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, it doesn't help. While the slaves were no doubt worse off for having been captured and sold by their fellow villagers, their descendants are much better off than they would have been had they been born in one of the nations of Africa.
    And there is the point I was waiting for. For all the complaining about racism that happened someone else's lifetime ago, not even directly affecting those complaining about it, even if they are getting government checks and not working, their lives here are better than they would be in their homeland.

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    And there is the point I was waiting for. For all the complaining about racism that happened someone else's lifetime ago, not even directly affecting those complaining about it, even if they are getting government checks and not working, their lives here are better than they would be in their homeland.
    Heh. That reminds me of a conversation during a barbecue a bunch of years ago. Somebody (southern accent, Confederate Flag t-shirt) said, "You know, contrary to what they say, we were pretty good to our slaves."

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    And there is the point I was waiting for. For all the complaining about racism that happened someone else's lifetime ago, not even directly affecting those complaining about it, even if they are getting government checks and not working, their lives here are better than they would be in their homeland.
    Now, we're talking racism and not slavery. Institutional racism, the sort that led to segregated restrooms and blacks being required to sit at the back of the bus, was within my lifetime. Refusal to sell houses in certain neighborhoods to blacks and Hispanics happened within my lifetime. "No Japs" was within my lifetime. Racism is less overt now, but still exists, and is still a scourge on society.

    And, before you bring it up, yes, I'm aware that racism is directed at whites as well and that guys like Luis Farrakhan and his ilk are still in the news from time to time. It's still racism, and still a scourge.
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You tell me homie.

    I find the fake southern accents very offensive. Hillary too.

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