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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Well, that pretty much wraps it up. 80% of the people responding think we would have been better off without slavery. I can agreed with that. Remove the crime and other problems rampant in the communities of the slave ancestors and things don't look so bad here. Maybe we could fire up a reparations program that will provide one way tickets back to wherever they came from. Assuming of course they know where that is. 200 years is plenty of time to become part of a society, if they can't or won't, send them on their way.

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Well, that pretty much wraps it up. 80% of the people responding think we would have been better off without slavery. I can agreed with that. Remove the crime and other problems rampant in the communities of the slave ancestors and things don't look so bad here. Maybe we could fire up a reparations program that will provide one way tickets back to wherever they came from. Assuming of course they know where that is. 200 years is plenty of time to become part of a society, if they can't or won't, send them on their way.
    Send the n(bleep!)s back to Africa? Is that really what you're suggesting?
    Can't we just turn Congress off and then turn it back on again?



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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Send the n(bleep!)s back to Africa? Is that really what you're suggesting?
    I'm saying pay their way if they want to go. Lincoln's plan was to send them all back whether they wanted to go or not, and he is applauded as a hero to them.

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    I'm saying pay their way if they want to go. Lincoln's plan was to send them all back whether they wanted to go or not, and he is applauded as a hero to them.
    I'm thinking you wouldn't get a lot of takers.
    Can't we just turn Congress off and then turn it back on again?



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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    In general we would all be better off I think. So what's the point,
    it's history.


    Correct. We can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

    We have to play the hand that we were dealt.




    Eventually the USA will get straightened out, but I doubt that I'll live to see that day.
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Interesting thought. Consider that slaves had never been brought here. Considering that they were captured and sold by other tribal Africans, they likely would have been sold to somebody else, or just killed. But either way if they had not been brought here, there would be no descendants of slaves here either, probably no Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, maybe not even a Barack Obama. So would we have been better off?
    Depends on the metrics and who "we" is.

    Economically, especially in the early days of the nation slavery was a valuable financial institution, especially in the more agrarian south (but significant parts of the north). This at a critical time in a start up young nation.

    It was in many ways antithetical to the founding ideals of this nation, but I do give some leniency in remembering the times. Slavery is one of the oldest institutions of man and remains in practice in parts of the world even today. The fact that it was ended in the US in less than 100 years and at enormous cost to Americans is admirable in my view.

    Culturally, both blacks and whites have been both harmed and helped. Its notable that the US ended slavery and yet lived amongst these former slaves, historically most of the time when slavery was ended it was because slaves revolted and took over (think haiti) or slaves were expelled from the nation.
    Here that did not happen-and it certainly contributed to racial tensions (though not all slaves were black). Certainly, more slaves were taken elsewhere besides the US (brazil, carribean, and much more so the Middle east, where most did not survive and were not highly valued)

    But also, blacks benefitted from slavery in the US-conditions here have always been better than africa, and slaves that returned to Africa (sierra leone and liberia) did not tend to do much better than other africans (certainly not better than the US). When I was in school a nigerian classmate (former marine, US citizen) told how she always dreamed of coming here, and how much better it was here, my african american classmates were actually hostile towards her, as they didn't see any benefit to living in the US. That created some tension I made note of.

    So in the end, its a mixed bag for everyone involved. Its water over the dam, and I think we are better served by working together to make things better. I do not see modern identity politics as helpful in this.
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If we did not have slavery in this country then Will Smith would have never been born anywhere. His parents and everyone dating back to the first of his family who were the children of the first people brought here on slave ships would have never been born. I do not think anyone voting YES realizes that every single individual whose ancestors were slaves in this country would have never been born anywhere in this world due to the fact it was because of slavery that their ancestors met in the first place.
    Why does it matter if certain people were born. Two people get together and have a baby. It doesn't matter who that baby is. Somebody would have been born somewhere in the world in place of the person that was born in the US.

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    And questions on such hypotheticals are an exercise in futility. If, somewhere in history, a different sperm won the race then maybe we'd have hoverboards or a cure for cancer. Maybe polio would never have been eradicated. Or maybe Star Wars would never have existed. History is chaos theory. A long sequence of butterfly effects with nigh unpredictable outcomes. Even the smallest variance could have made life better or worse for all of us, nevermind something as huge as slavery not existing.



    And who's to say you'd have necessarily been born? Without slavery your family might have died out.
    The last documentary I saw showed that kids will be playing with hoverboards in October of this year.

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm thinking you wouldn't get a lot of takers.
    Neither do I. For all the complaining, the government checks seem to be enough to make up for it.

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Why does it matter if certain people were born.
    I am sure it matters to everyone in this country who is descended from someone brought here as a slave.Because if their ancestors were not brought here as slaves then they would have never been born.

    Two people get together and have a baby. It doesn't matter who that baby is. Somebody would have been born somewhere in the world in place of the person that was born in the US.
    If your parents never met then you would have never been born.If your grandparents never met then your parents would have never been born and so on.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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