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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Interesting thought. Consider that slaves had never been brought here. Considering that they were captured and sold by other tribal Africans, they likely would have been sold to somebody else, or just killed.
    Bit presumptive, that.

    For one thing the kidnaping of Africans to sell into slavery would not have reached the heights it did, without white demand (not just N.America). Where enslavement was not uncommon amongst African tribes and nations, it usually entailed enslaving the POWs, a far lower number in the local fracas. Barely ever was war initiated to raid for slavery until the traders came.
    But either way if they had not been brought here, there would be no descendants of slaves here either, probably no Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, maybe not even a Barack Obama. So would we have been better off?
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    Not for lack of the people mentioned or anybody less prominent, but for the simple reason that the blemish on US history and culture would not have appeared.

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    I don't believe racism, or this "stigma against blacks", is here in America because of slavery. Some people just treat people different than them differently.
    Where that is undoubtedly true, racism against blacks in the US has its roots in that very same slavery.

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    The existence of slavery in the United States was immoral, and the country would be better off if slavery had not been practiced here just because of that. Slavery brought with it many societal ills however, such as the racism that continued to exist after abolition. The Civil War would probably not have happened, and the North-South cultural divide probably would be far less emphasized.
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    The existence of slavery in the United States was immoral, and the country would be better off if slavery had not been practiced here just because of that. Slavery brought with it many societal ills however, such as the racism that continued to exist after abolition. The Civil War would probably not have happened, and the North-South cultural divide probably would be far less emphasized.
    So you are saying that we would be better off if most of the Americans of African decent never existed?
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    We'd also be better off without poverty and crime but that is a pipe dream.

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Impossible to know and irrelevant to worry about, imo.

    What matters is that it was a horrible thing to do to other human beings...end of story.
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Impossible to know and irrelevant to worry about, imo.

    What matters is that it was a horrible thing to do to other human beings...end of story.
    Well, no, unfortunately it's not the end of the story at all. That's part of why slavery was so horrible: its repercussions are felt to this day.

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Interesting thought. Consider that slaves had never been brought here. Considering that they were captured and sold by other tribal Africans, they likely would have been sold to somebody else, or just killed. But either way if they had not been brought here, there would be no descendants of slaves here either, probably no Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, maybe not even a Barack Obama. So would we have been better off?
    Two things, first there's really no way to answer that question, because . . . secondly "we" still have slaves and essentially always have had... Right now all of "our" slaves are in Asian countries or US jails but for all practical purposes, they are slaves, and they produce what "we" want whether they want to or not, and at wages so low that they are in fact slaves wages.
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I doubt the Native Americans would have repopulated and fought back... it would have taken more time, but the European take over of the Americas was inevitable... it happened in every single part of the Americas. If the east coast wasn't strong enough than the Spanish in mexico would have been or the french in the north... or the russians in the west
    There also would have been more enslaving of Native americans... they were ditched in favor of Africans because they were "weaker" and less hearty.
    lol. No, they were not weaker or less hearty. They could not and would not be controlled.

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    lol. No, they were not weaker or less hearty. They could not and would not be controlled.
    That's what they said at the time

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