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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I doubt the Native Americans would have repopulated and fought back... it would have taken more time, but the European take over of the Americas was inevitable... it happened in every single part of the Americas. If the east coast wasn't strong enough than the Spanish in mexico would have been or the french in the north... or the russians in the west
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    I don't think so. The attempted colonization of the Americas was failing for our colonies. Now you make a good point about the spanish and french, but they didn't fair a whole lot better. But that is certainly a viable option as well.

    There also would have been more enslaving of Native americans... they were ditched in favor of Africans because they were "weaker" and less hearty
    Sticking to how it was worded in the Poll question, it was about America (us) and slavery (not just AA slavery). Which then would imply no NA slavery either. And left to their own devices, English colonists wouldn't have lasted, and we wouldn't be a country.
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Well, there is that perspective. Considering the lamenting about how horrible it is to be black in a post slavery America one could assume that many would prefer to not have been born. Others may agree. I wonder how much different the black community would be today if they did not have slavery to blame.
    I think they would still have been born. The Africans rounded up and sold wouldn't have been sold to America, but they would still have had children. Their children would have been born somewhere else, however.
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I think they would still have been born. The Africans rounded up and sold wouldn't have been sold to America, but they would still have had children. Their children would have been born somewhere else, however.
    But those would not be same black people because their parents would not have ever met.If your parents met other people instead of each other you would not exist. There wouldn't some wierd version of you with your father's family or some other weird version of you with your mother's family. You simply would not exist anywhere. Much the same way if America never had slaves most of the black people in the US would not exist anywhere.
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I don't think so. The attempted colonization of the Americas was failing for our colonies. Now you make a good point about the spanish and french, but they didn't fair a whole lot better. But that is certainly a viable option as well.



    Sticking to how it was worded in the Poll question, it was about America (us) and slavery (not just AA slavery). Which then would imply no NA slavery either. And left to their own devices, English colonists wouldn't have lasted, and we wouldn't be a country.
    Fair enough... But the Russians were coming too, The spanish were attacking the south, Britsh colonies in the east and French in the North... The battles in the south were failing, but over time the European population would have increased to the point where they could. The Natives inferior farming, building, medicine, and war tactics would have eventually fallen...

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Well, there is that perspective. Considering the lamenting about how horrible it is to be black in a post slavery America one could assume that many would prefer to not have been born. Others may agree. I wonder how much different the black community would be today if they did not have slavery to blame.
    I dont know but there are plenty of comparisons. With all the people currently ****ting themselves over the Confederate flag compare life in...well...say...Charleston vs the freedom of NOT living under that symbol of racism in, say...Chicago.

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I don't think so. The attempted colonization of the Americas was failing for our colonies. Now you make a good point about the spanish and french, but they didn't fair a whole lot better. But that is certainly a viable option as well.



    Sticking to how it was worded in the Poll question, it was about America (us) and slavery (not just AA slavery). Which then would imply no NA slavery either. And left to their own devices, English colonists wouldn't have lasted, and we wouldn't be a country.
    Good point. I should have clarified that as African slavery. We still have slavery here and many would argue that we certainly would not be better off without it. I am speaking, of course, of the Girl Scouts of American, an organization that exists solely for the distribution of cookies by an army of young female slaves. I for one would miss the thin mints.

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Fair enough... But the Russians were coming too, The spanish were attacking the south, Britsh colonies in the east and French in the North... The battles in the south were failing, but over time the European population would have increased to the point where they could. The Natives inferior farming, building, medicine, and war tactics would have eventually fallen...
    Possibly. The initial spanish, french and english settlers brought with them a lot of technology that Native Americans began incorporating. Given some time, they may have caught up. In theory they could have opened trade routes with England, Spain, and others after they had given up here, and that type of alliance may have offered them protection. It is only may have, probably more likely that someone else would have taken over the continent if England/US hadn't.
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    But those would not be same black people because their parents would not have ever met.If your parents met other people instead of each other you would not exist. There wouldn't some wierd version of you with your father's family or some other weird version of you with your mother's family. You simply would not exist anywhere. Much the same way if America never had slaves most of the black people in the US would not exist anywhere.
    The above presumes that each individual human being is simply an accident resulting from the mixing of genomes, and not an immortal spirit in temporary possession of a body. That's an atheistic viewpoint. Do you consider yourself an atheist, then?
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The above presumes that each individual human being is simply an accident resulting from the mixing of genomes, and not an immortal spirit in temporary possession of a body. That's an atheistic viewpoint. Do you consider yourself an atheist, then?
    1.That is not just a atheistic view. I am not a atheist.

    2.We are product of our parents.
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