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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    This question is like asking if Jews are better off because of the Holocaust since it got them Israel.
    I was thinking about that as I wrote it actually. All 8 of my great grand parents come from Poland (Prussian region actually), had it not been for the Holocaust they would not have come here, at least not all of them would have.

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Are you implying that we would never have elected a black man, or that it would have happened sooner and would have been more of a non-event?

    I tend to think it would be the latter.
    No, in fact had there not been African slaves it could be assumed that there never would have been a stigma against blacks anyway, so it is quite possible we would have had a black President, maybe even Obama as it has been pointed out that his heritage is not from slavery. But much of our black population would not be here so maybe he wouldn't have gotten elected anyway. This could go a lot of different directions.

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Sigh.....

    In the alternate reality world, would the natives have still had slaves? Would there still have been indentured servitude? Would the Spaniards and British still have had slaves...just not on Continental America? Are you really asking if it would have been better for all black people if none of them had ever been brought to the US?

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    I don't believe racism, or this "stigma against blacks", is here in America because of slavery. Some people just treat people different than them differently.

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    No, in fact had there not been African slaves it could be assumed that there never would have been a stigma against blacks anyway, so it is quite possible we would have had a black President, maybe even Obama as it has been pointed out that his heritage is not from slavery. But much of our black population would not be here so maybe he wouldn't have gotten elected anyway. This could go a lot of different directions.
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Interesting thought. Consider that slaves had never been brought here. Considering that they were captured and sold by other tribal Africans, they likely would have been sold to somebody else, or just killed. But either way if they had not been brought here, there would be no descendants of slaves here either, probably no Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, maybe not even a Barack Obama. So would we have been better off?
    Wow. I was the only person who voted no. Me against the world.

    Would we as a country be better off if we had never had slaves? Unfortunately the answer is no. Without slavery and the labor that came with it, it is very unlikely that the United States would have ever been formed. The colonies would not have become strong enough to fight England, and there wouldn't have been much for England to tax if not for slavery, which would have meant no declaration of independence. The early colonies were failing, and early colonists were lazy. They would have died if not for slaves doing everything for them and giving them a means to produce product enough to turn a profit and generate an economy for themselves. Once it was realized how little gold was left to plunder, Europeans would have left or died off and the Native Americans would have repopulated the continent over time. That is most likely anyhow. Small chance our country might have survived and been formed without slavery, but it is a small chance.
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    I think you'll get a yes from most people... something racists and black leaders would agree with.

    I am not so quick decide, Kind of leads me to think of the movie/graphic novel the watchmen when the woman super hero was raped by the other guy, but ultimately she wouldn't have taken it back because of her child that has become such an important thing in her life.... I forget... but my point is there is no way to measure what we have all gained to what people lost way back when...

    I think Black people have contributed a large amount of good to The US to what it is today, rock and roll, blues, fought in our wars, literature, unlimited of things...it motivated many to make cultural changes and brought people together... it makes US's history unique and relevant, with deep meaning to many.

    Would the US be better off without slavery? It wouldn't be the US anymore without it's history and the contribution from black people. It would simply be different... not better or worse.

    I doubt the world would have been up to any more good if the slaves went to the Americas or not...call me a cynic
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Interesting thought. Consider that slaves had never been brought here. Considering that they were captured and sold by other tribal Africans, they likely would have been sold to somebody else, or just killed. But either way if they had not been brought here, there would be no descendants of slaves here either, probably no Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, maybe not even a Barack Obama. So would we have been better off?
    We certainly did a lousy job of normalizing society afterwards.

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Wow. I was the only person who voted no. Me against the world.

    Would we as a country be better off if we had never had slaves? Unfortunately the answer is no. Without slavery and the labor that came with it, it is very unlikely that the United States would have ever been formed. The colonies would not have become strong enough to fight England, and there wouldn't have been much for England to tax if not for slavery, which would have meant no declaration of independence. The early colonies were failing, and early colonists were lazy. They would have died if not for slaves doing everything for them and giving them a means to produce product enough to turn a profit and generate an economy for themselves. Once it was realized how little gold was left to plunder, Europeans would have left or died off and the Native Americans would have repopulated the continent over time. That is most likely anyhow. Small chance our country might have survived and been formed without slavery, but it is a small chance.
    I doubt the Native Americans would have repopulated and fought back... it would have taken more time, but the European take over of the Americas was inevitable... it happened in every single part of the Americas. If the east coast wasn't strong enough than the Spanish in mexico would have been or the french in the north... or the russians in the west
    There also would have been more enslaving of Native americans... they were ditched in favor of Africans because they were "weaker" and less hearty.

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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Interesting thought. Consider that slaves had never been brought here. Considering that they were captured and sold by other tribal Africans, they likely would have been sold to somebody else, or just killed. But either way if they had not been brought here, there would be no descendants of slaves here either, probably no Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, maybe not even a Barack Obama. So would we have been better off?
    No we would not be better off if slavery never existed in the US. Most of the black people in the US alive today because they are descended from the Africans from various tribes that were brought here as slaves. If slavery never existed in the US they would not exist.Nor would they would not exist anywhere else .So basically you are asking would if we be better off if those people never existed. America is what it is because of all the good and bad things that happened in our past.
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    Re: Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sigh.....

    In the alternate reality world, would the natives have still had slaves? Would there still have been indentured servitude? Would the Spaniards and British still have had slaves...just not on Continental America? [b]Are you really asking if it would have been better for all black people if none of them had ever been brought to the US?[b/]

    Well, there is that perspective. Considering the lamenting about how horrible it is to be black in a post slavery America one could assume that many would prefer to not have been born. Others may agree. I wonder how much different the black community would be today if they did not have slavery to blame.

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