View Poll Results: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

Voters
64. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes, the issue is settled

    33 51.56%
  • No, there's lots yet to discuss/debate

    27 42.19%
  • Not sure

    2 3.13%
  • What's SSM?

    2 3.13%
Page 9 of 25 FirstFirst ... 789101119 ... LastLast
Results 81 to 90 of 246

Thread: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

  1. #81
    Global Moderator
    I'm a Jedi Master, Yo
    CaptainCourtesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    137,449

    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, one can hope.

    It's been coming, anyone could see it was inevitable for several years now.

    It's done... be nice if we could talk about something ELSE for a change.


    However, I have an unpleasant suspicion that that floodgates will open for lawsuits based on this or that sort of discrimination claims, all aimed at ramming acceptance down everyone's throats. "Gracious in victory" seems unlikely. Movements don't stop moving just because they've won their primary objective; those who make a living leading the movement tend to look for the next thing to make a big deal out of, so they can stay employed.


    I hope I'm wrong. I doubt that I am.
    I suspect that there will be tons of lawsuits and political maneuvering from the ANTI side, trying to get this overturned. Gracious in defeat doesn't seem likely and when a movement as rigid as the anti side loses, it often doubles down on it's resolve to attack... keeping those involved employed.

    I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

    Mace Windu: Then our worst fears have been realized. We must move quickly if the Jedi Order is to survive.

    ====||:-D

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

  2. #82
    OWL Forever
    katiegrrl0's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    at the computer
    Last Seen
    11-11-16 @ 01:00 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    4,120

    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    For once a poll on this forum is representative of the reality. About a third of the country will continue to want to carry same-sex marriage as an issue. I think it will diminish in time, but it will be two or three generations before it is a dead issue.
    I'm not so sure it will take all that long to heal. The only age demographic that did not favor same sex marriage are the very old. Some age groups closer to even than others. Younger people more open to the decision of the court. I think some states and some regions will be more resistant as with Texas. other states will perhaps throw their hat in the ring of resistance. But for the majority the issue is dead.
    The flame that is between us could set every soul on fire. I would love to take that heat and let's fill the whole world with desire.
    Sophie B. Hawkins

  3. #83
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The anals of history
    Last Seen
    07-25-15 @ 12:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    10,348

    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think so. I think we now live in a world where SSM is no longer an issue and all arguments, pro and con, are now moot.

    Seriously, that's actually difficult to wrap my mind around. All the time and energy arguing about who is and isn't pro/anti SSM and why they are and are not is moot. Like the ruling or not, the issue has been settled and it will never go back. Continuing to dwell on it and argue it, especially on the anti-SSM side is pointless. You're just making yourselves miserable over something that most likely will have zero impact on your life. On the pro side, you have every right to celebrate, but maybe you could try to be happy rather than hateful. C'mon, it's supposed easy to be magnanimous when you win (and you have won).

    I, for one, look forward to all the furor settling down. Honestly, this issue felt a little like it tore me in two, understanding arguments on both sides and feeling that there are good hearted and sincere people on both sides, which was probably the most lonely position of all.

    Anyway, do you agree with me that once all the victory laps have been run and all the anger has subsided (and it will with time - it always does), this is essentially a dead issue?

    Now what are we gonna talk about?

    Getting a simple poll together and sorry about the weird font (I hope it's not huge) - that happens sometimes when I save something to my iPad then copy/paste it later.
    I think it's pretty well settled, of course there will be some things to iron out similar to how abortion is still being ironed out.... simply because 50% of the population isn't just going to sit on their hands and do nothing if they believe strongly in something.

  4. #84
    Educator SocialDemocrat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    The beautiful Pacific Northwest
    Last Seen
    05-18-16 @ 02:30 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    922

    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Proof of concept.
    Yeah that's my bad, rights of transsexuals are all too often ignored by the LGBT community, and it's my fault for the way I phrased that statement.
    Social democrat is no longer an accurate description of my views.

  5. #85
    Engineer
    RabidAlpaca's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    American in Europe
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 05:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    12,253

    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think so. I think we now live in a world where SSM is no longer an issue and all arguments, pro and con, are now moot.

    Seriously, that's actually difficult to wrap my mind around. All the time and energy arguing about who is and isn't pro/anti SSM and why they are and are not is moot. Like the ruling or not, the issue has been settled and it will never go back. Continuing to dwell on it and argue it, especially on the anti-SSM side is pointless. You're just making yourselves miserable over something that most likely will have zero impact on your life. On the pro side, you have every right to celebrate, but maybe you could try to be happy rather than hateful. C'mon, it's supposed easy to be magnanimous when you win (and you have won).

    I, for one, look forward to all the furor settling down. Honestly, this issue felt a little like it tore me in two, understanding arguments on both sides and feeling that there are good hearted and sincere people on both sides, which was probably the most lonely position of all.

    Anyway, do you agree with me that once all the victory laps have been run and all the anger has subsided (and it will with time - it always does), this is essentially a dead issue?

    Now what are we gonna talk about?

    Getting a simple poll together and sorry about the weird font (I hope it's not huge) - that happens sometimes when I save something to my iPad then copy/paste it later.
    No. As long as we have states like Texas declaring that they'll refuse to comply with the law it won't be over. Much like how many states in the south when forced with the Civil Rights Act just used loopholes to block blacks from voting, they'll continue to try the same trick again. I wish it was, but it's not quite over yet.
    "If I take death into my life, acknowledge it, and face it squarely, I will free myself from the anxiety of death and the pettiness of life - and only then will I be free to become myself." ~ Martin Heidegger

  6. #86
    Global Moderator
    The Hammer of Chaos
    Goshin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Dixie
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    40,999

    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I suspect that there will be tons of lawsuits and political maneuvering from the ANTI side, trying to get this overturned. Gracious in defeat doesn't seem likely and when a movement as rigid as the anti side loses, it often doubles down on it's resolve to attack... keeping those involved employed.

    I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.


    No, I'm afraid we're probably both right. Would that it were not so.

    Fiddling While Rome Burns
    Carthago Delenda Est
    "I used to roll the dice; see the fear in my enemies' eyes... listen as the crowd would sing, 'now the old king is dead, Long Live the King.'.."

  7. #87
    Guru
    1750Texan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Southcental Texas
    Last Seen
    12-22-15 @ 11:09 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    3,410

    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Certain states have already come out and said that they will not comply with, or will put up challenges to, the Supreme Court's ruling, so yes, it still is an issue even in this country. And it is most definitely an issue in many other countries.

    As far as LGBT rights in general, there's still a REALLY long way to go.
    It took Mississippi 150 years to ratify the 13th amendment. Slavery was not legal in Mississippi until then.


  8. #88
    Sage

    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Location
    Pennsylvania, USA
    Last Seen
    05-28-16 @ 11:08 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    6,639

    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    I'd bet dollars to donuts that it will be in the official 2016 gop platform , primary debates, and so forth.

    So..........no

  9. #89
    Sage

    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Location
    Pennsylvania, USA
    Last Seen
    05-28-16 @ 11:08 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    6,639

    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    It took Mississippi 150 years to ratify the 13th amendment. Slavery was not legal in Mississippi until then.
    what///

  10. #90
    Phonetic Mnemonic
    radcen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Look to your left... I'm that guy.
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 04:42 PM
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    26,667

    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    There are two mistakes people are making in this thread.

    1) Presuming that "dead" means it will never ever come up again. No, it doesn't mean that. As with pretty much *any* issue, there will be some people who will piss and moan, and may even challenge, but after the dust settles this issue will be like most others people will go about their lives and the issue of SSM will be lived with. That makes it "dead".

    2) Comparing this to abortion. Abortion is special in that it is an outlier. Comparing abortion to almost any other issue isn't really an apples-to-apples comparison here.
    Huntsman / Kasich 2020

Page 9 of 25 FirstFirst ... 789101119 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •