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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    as far as i'm concerned yes

    There will be disagreements about how this debate transpires in the rest of the world, but american posters at least have little influence over that.

    There will be attempts to disobey the court, for instance the texas AG and governor saying they'll offer free lawyers to public officials who are charged with contempt. However, these are obviously impotent political posturing that will have little to no effect on gay couples

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I don't think so. I think cultural SSM is very different from abortion. Within a generation or two support for SSM will, I think, be near total. I don't think you will see much vitriol aimed at it save for a few select niches of interest.
    That's exactly right. The polls on abortion have moved hardly at all, whereas SSM has gone from 60-40 against to 60-40 in favor in a mere decade.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    It should be, but the conservative corporate interests will keep the issue alive for a long time for use as a weapon of mass distraction. They want people to endlessly argue about school prayer, abortion, sex ed, flag burning and SSM because it will take attention away from the issues that would threaten their financial interests if there was greater public awareness of their practices and intentions.
    Yeah but if they want to win they'll have to move on from this a lot sooner than you think. In fact i figured by 2016 they'd be hating on immigrants instead, but the hispanic demographic made them reconsider that.

    But you're right, the last thing the party of the 1% can afford is to allow economics to become the focal point. In fact, they're better off losing elections to bought off centrist dems than to lose elections to communists or whatever. THAT would threaten their interests a lot more than losing to hillary.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think so. I think we now live in a world where SSM is no longer an issue and all arguments, pro and con, are now moot.

    Seriously, that's actually difficult to wrap my mind around. All the time and energy arguing about who is and isn't pro/anti SSM and why they are and are not is moot. Like the ruling or not, the issue has been settled and it will never go back. Continuing to dwell on it and argue it, especially on the anti-SSM side is pointless. You're just making yourselves miserable over something that most likely will have zero impact on your life. On the pro side, you have every right to celebrate, but maybe you could try to be happy rather than hateful. C'mon, it's supposed easy to be magnanimous when you win (and you have won).

    I, for one, look forward to all the furor settling down. Honestly, this issue felt a little like it tore me in two, understanding arguments on both sides and feeling that there are good hearted and sincere people on both sides, which was probably the most lonely position of all.

    Anyway, do you agree with me that once all the victory laps have been run and all the anger has subsided (and it will with time - it always does), this is essentially a dead issue?

    Now what are we gonna talk about?

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    I don't think it's a dead issue. States can still refuse to issue gay marriages, and I suspect lesbian couples will rais the divorce rate.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    A fair point, G, one that I had considered but there is a difference in that Roe left open the possibility of restricting abortion and I think most of the challenges to Roe argue that they fall within acceptable restrictions.
    Roe isn't going anywhere. It has in fact been a decided issue for 40 years. By a "dead" issue, you're talking about the backlash...

    In that regard i don't see it the same. Even many who support legal right to abortion do not think highly of those who get abortion (aside from rape). With the many options of birth control, it's increasingly seen as avoidable.

    Gay couples on the other hand really don't have any alternative to marriage. It seems that more and more voters have come to believe homosexuality is "immutable" (as kennedy put it), thus they realize that denying SSM is cruel and unamerican. I don't even see it as a matter of liberal vs conservative. 'Family values' can include gay people

    I'd like to hear of one other social issue, ever in this country, that has undergone a 20 point swing in a single decade. It's certainly not abortion

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It'll take another year, perhaps two, for the dust to settle. By "dust," I'm referring to attempts by various states to try work-arounds, such as only allowing religious clerks to officiate weddings and other such nonsense. Unfortunately I can't find the article anymore, but there's a bunch of tactics they'll be trying for a while.
    I could be proven wrong in time, but i still see these as political sideshows without any practical effect. Part of the ruling is that they have to recognize marriages from other states. Even if *every* county clerk in say oklahoma refused to issue marriage licenses, a gay couple could travel across the border to get hitched. They shouldn't have to, and it'll bring about more lawsuits, but it's nowhere near as big a roadblock as before

    In addition, any clerk who refuses will also have to refuse hetero couples, which will leave those voters enraged. Otherwise the clerk can be personally sued and arrested

    The supreme court has spoken. It's over

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't think it's a dead issue. States can still refuse to issue gay marriages, and I suspect lesbian couples will rais the divorce rate.
    No they can't LOL, did you even read the decision - "it is so ordered" etc

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    No they can't LOL, did you even read the decision - "it is so ordered" etc
    There's more to it than the ruling: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7683480

    Whether the Texas AG is right or wrong, my point is the issue isn't dead.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    There will be dolts fighting a rearguard action for a while. They'll tire of losing or get sued into silence.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I could be proven wrong in time, but i still see these as political sideshows without any practical effect. Part of the ruling is that they have to recognize marriages from other states. Even if *every* county clerk in say oklahoma refused to issue marriage licenses, a gay couple could travel across the border to get hitched. They shouldn't have to, and it'll bring about more lawsuits, but it's nowhere near as big a roadblock as before

    In addition, any clerk who refuses will also have to refuse hetero couples, which will leave those voters enraged. Otherwise the clerk can be personally sued and arrested

    The supreme court has spoken. It's over
    Just like Roe was the last word on abortion, right?

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