View Poll Results: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    Proof of concept. I am sure you don't believe that you're keeping it alive by posting in this thread.
    I'm not denying my participation in this discussion. You, apparently, would like for us to believe you're not here right now.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm not denying my participation in this discussion. You, apparently, would like for us to believe you're not here right now.
    Well, whatever is going on, I am sure it must be the fault of a conservative somewhere.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Let's get on with the important stuff like banning flags and tearing down the Jefferson memorial.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    I suppose the silver lining in the Constitution now being kindling is that it'll be easier to avoid hearing about this sort of crap.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    They are not saying much of anything from what I can see. How many of them started an argument like this one?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...us-ruling.html (Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?)
    I haven't read any of that thread but I could see where that could be a response to some of the anger expressed at the ruling.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    Well, whatever is going on, I am sure it must be the fault of a conservative somewhere.
    Is a liberal forcing you to participate in this thread at gunpoint?

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Not arguing the particulars that you noted; just that I'd be hesitant to pigeonhole them as "liberal" if that means assuming they are committed to the Democrat party and all its planks and positions... they seem far less attached to party identity or ideology to me, and more concerned with getting what they want regardless of the political label normally attached to the position.


    Just my thoughts and observations, as a middle-aged man who has been studying the rising teens-and-twentysomethings for some while now... they're a very different breed than Boomers or X/Y'ers. Less ideological and more pragmatic.

    I agree they're less ideological but forgive me for pointing out that younger Americans being pro gay marriage, less religious, pro marijuana legalization and many of whom voted for Obama, forgive me for not calling those "Conservatives or Libertarians".

    Sounds a lot like social liberals to me and not economic rightist libertarians.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I haven't read any of that thread but I could see where that could be a response to some of the anger expressed at the ruling.
    Here's the thing: some people could think it's bad law. Some people could think everything the SCOTUS did last week was bad law, and you might even be one of them. it might not have a damn thing to do with SSM, but I am sure there are people who want to make it about that, just as opposing Obamacare is "racism" to some people.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by rationality View Post
    I agree they're less ideological but forgive me for pointing out that younger Americans being pro gay marriage, less religious, pro marijuana legalization and many of whom voted for Obama, forgive me for not calling those "Conservatives or Libertarians".

    Sounds a lot like social liberals to me and not economic rightist libertarians.

    No, they're not economic rightists. They're not full on economic leftists either. They're pragmatic. They want the opportunities of capitalism, but if they run into trouble along their path to prosperity they want a good safety net to protect them from failure as well. Center-left, perhaps.

    Socially, they seem like liberal/progressives on the surface, but in many instances they seem more libertarian-ish... more concerned with individual liberty (as opposed to identity politics). Many, for instance, are strong supporters of 2A rights, more commonly seen as a conservative or libertarian issue.

    I suspect we're going to find them to be a rather unique voting demographic over the next couple decades as they come to power, who defy most of the conventional labels and ideologies in favor of a pragmatic pursuit of their preferred condition.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think so. I think we now live in a world where SSM is no longer an issue and all arguments, pro and con, are now moot.

    Seriously, that's actually difficult to wrap my mind around. All the time and energy arguing about who is and isn't pro/anti SSM and why they are and are not is moot. Like the ruling or not, the issue has been settled and it will never go back. Continuing to dwell on it and argue it, especially on the anti-SSM side is pointless. You're just making yourselves miserable over something that most likely will have zero impact on your life. On the pro side, you have every right to celebrate, but maybe you could try to be happy rather than hateful. C'mon, it's supposed easy to be magnanimous when you win (and you have won).

    I, for one, look forward to all the furor settling down. Honestly, this issue felt a little like it tore me in two, understanding arguments on both sides and feeling that there are good hearted and sincere people on both sides, which was probably the most lonely position of all.

    Anyway, do you agree with me that once all the victory laps have been run and all the anger has subsided (and it will with time - it always does), this is essentially a dead issue?

    Now what are we gonna talk about?

    Getting a simple poll together and sorry about the weird font (I hope it's not huge) - that happens sometimes when I save something to my iPad then copy/paste it later.
    It is absolutely not over. There are many gay men and women who still suffer all over the world. Some countries still threaten death to any homosexuals caught openly. So no - the discussion must continue and those who still suffer under such tyranny must not be forgotten or swept under the rug.
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    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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