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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I have every confidence that SSM will turn out to be an issue every bit as dead as the abortion issue has been post Roe v Wade.
    A fair point, G, one that I had considered but there is a difference in that Roe left open the possibility of restricting abortion and I think most of the challenges to Roe argue that they fall within acceptable restrictions.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Not at all a dead issue.

    SSM is an integral part of the American outrage and shock at the Liberal devastation wreaked in the past ten years on the formerly beautiful country that was America, along with open borders, unchecked immigration, foreign colonization, the rise of radical jihad, the Liberal destruction of the military, etc., etc.

    After last week, people look at the Supreme Court and wonder what happened to reason in America. The corruption is virtually complete and a turnaround absolutely must start soon.

    Additionally, the coming homosexual gloating and endless "In your face" disgusting celebrations are going to fuel the rage and anger in this country far beyond what we've seen before.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think so. I think we now live in a world where SSM is no longer an issue and all arguments, pro and con, are now moot.

    Seriously, that's actually difficult to wrap my mind around. All the time and energy arguing about who is and isn't pro/anti SSM and why they are and are not is moot. Like the ruling or not, the issue has been settled and it will never go back. Continuing to dwell on it and argue it, especially on the anti-SSM side is pointless. You're just making yourselves miserable over something that most likely will have zero impact on your life. On the pro side, you have every right to celebrate, but maybe you could try to be happy rather than hateful. C'mon, it's supposed easy to be magnanimous when you win (and you have won).

    I, for one, look forward to all the furor settling down. Honestly, this issue felt a little like it tore me in two, understanding arguments on both sides and feeling that there are good hearted and sincere people on both sides, which was probably the most lonely position of all.

    Anyway, do you agree with me that once all the victory laps have been run and all the anger has subsided (and it will with time - it always does), this is essentially a dead issue?

    Now what are we gonna talk about?

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    Depends. There is still a possibility some of the states will try to resist. Some politicians have been encouraging this, and there is a real chance it could happen. If that happens, then no, this issue isn't settled, and the potential outcomes of this range from mildly annoying to very seriously bad. It's not time to let down our guard quite yet.

    But if the states accept the ruling, then pretty much, yeah. There are still a lot of other issues to talk about relating to sex and sexuality, but this one will pretty much be settled, assuming none of the states decide to martyr themselves over it.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, one can hope.

    It's been coming, anyone could see it was inevitable for several years now.

    It's done... be nice if we could talk about something ELSE for a change.


    However, I have an unpleasant suspicion that that floodgates will open for lawsuits based on this or that sort of discrimination claims, all aimed at ramming acceptance down everyone's throats. "Gracious in victory" seems unlikely. Movements don't stop moving just because they've won their primary objective; those who make a living leading the movement tend to look for the next thing to make a big deal out of, so they can stay employed.


    I hope I'm wrong. I doubt that I am.
    I hear you, Goshin. What I fear is that too many people don't really even want this to be a settled issue.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    We'll see what we see. I'm not going to lose sleep over it, but I suspect someone will find a way to fan the fires... some gay version of Jessie or Al perhaps, seeing discrimination in every incidence of bad restaurant service.
    There are three hundred million people in the United States, so obviously someone is going to try something. However, the line between open businesses, private clubs, and churches have been clearly drawn. The precedent for how legalized ssm will affect society has largely already been determined.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, one can hope.

    It's been coming, anyone could see it was inevitable for several years now.

    It's done... be nice if we could talk about something ELSE for a change.


    However, I have an unpleasant suspicion that that floodgates will open for lawsuits based on this or that sort of discrimination claims, all aimed at ramming acceptance down everyone's throats. "Gracious in victory" seems unlikely. Movements don't stop moving just because they've won their primary objective; those who make a living leading the movement tend to look for the next thing to make a big deal out of, so they can stay employed.


    I hope I'm wrong. I doubt that I am.
    A bunch of the people on this site got what they wanted and they still want to argue about it, this will never die down. The environment never got clean enough for the environmentalists, racism was never sufficiently eradicated for the so-called "civil rights" crowd, and there will never be enough tolerance for the so-called "gay rights" crowd to STFU. One thing for sure about the "progressive" crowd, they can't tell you where it will all end because they don't know themselves.

    Just watch. This crowd will still be arguing about it for years.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It'll take another year, perhaps two, for the dust to settle. By "dust," I'm referring to attempts by various states to try work-arounds, such as only allowing religious clerks to officiate weddings and other such nonsense. Unfortunately I can't find the article anymore, but there's a bunch of tactics they'll be trying for a while.
    Agreed. And it has been well-telegraphed that one of the early "Tactics" will be this absurd "war on religion / persecuted Christian" angle. At the expense of being Karnac, I think these silly challenges will be largely smashed by Appellate courts within 1-3 years, and we will live in an America where both gay spouses and Millennialist Christians will enjoy brunch in the same upscale suburban chain restaurants.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Generally the pattern in countries that have already legalized SSM is that the center-right parties declare that it is a settled issue and they won't fight it, and then when no politicians are fighting it, approval skyrockets to around 80%. The Tea Party might take some convincing, but I feel like that will be the pattern here as well. However, gay rights as a whole still has many goals to achieve, and we can't forget about LGBT rights because of this.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    A bunch of the people on this site got what they wanted and they still want to argue about it, this will never die down.
    And the people in these debates who didn't get what they want are, what, sharing apple pie recipes?

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I hear you, Goshin. What I fear is that too many people don't really even want this to be a settled issue.


    It's too good for making political hay of. I imagine there are some who are disappointed that it has been settled, not because they didn't support SSM but because it took away their political football to some degree.


    So they'll look for a way to keep it in play and continue scoring political points off it. On both sides, no doubt.

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