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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, I'm not much on mind-reading. Can you link to where they recognized it was useless and they were just doing it out of spite?


    That's correct. And, contra his claims, traditional marriage advocates then did not sue to try to overturn the will of the populace because they didn't like the result.
    I cant read their minds either, I just had to listen to their proselytizing in parking lots and on TV, etc as they attempted to sway public opinion. They sounded pretty butt-hurt and unChristian to me.

    A public opinion that was made clear in the vote.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Hello Logicman!

    How does it feel to know that your beliefs are literally dying out?
    :raises eyebrow: I think you have confused "the west" with "the world". Christianity is exploding across much of the globe, and is likely to continue to grow for some time.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I cant read their minds either, I just had to listen to their proselytizing in parking lots and on TV, etc as they attempted to sway public opinion. They sounded pretty butt-hurt and unChristian to me.
    I rather suspect you are projecting negative internals onto others with whom you disagree, here.

    A public opinion that was made clear in the vote.
    Yup. And, then, contra his claims, the traditional marriage lobby did not start suing the state to get the judiciary to overturn the result.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    As someone who vehemently supports SSM I completely agree with this. We've created an industry out of righteous indignation and victimhood in this country and I cannot begin to imagine that those who have built their careers out of advocacy will simply drift into different lines of work. Its why while I know advocacy groups are necessary I generally dislike them.
    But I don't think it will be the advocacy groups for SSM who will be behind the push to keep this fight front-and-center in the social conscientiousness. I think it will be those who oppose the SCOTUS ruling who will do the fighting. Just look at what the likes of former Gov. Perry, Rick Santorum, Gov. Scott Walker, Gov. Jindal, Mike Huckabee and so many others among the GOP 2016 presidential field had to say immediately following the ruling.

    This issue won't go away anytime soon just because the SCOTUS made it lawful any more than the abortion fight continues to this day long after the SCOTUS ruled on Row -v- Wade.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    :raises eyebrow: I think you have confused "the west" with "the world". Christianity is exploding across much of the globe, and is likely to continue to grow for some time.
    1. Yes, Will, we know that some people around the world are turning to religion as others--particularly in developed societies such as the US--cast it off. Overall, Christianity is struggling to keep up with world population growth.
    2. Meanwhile, Islam is the fastest-growing major religion. (see source above)
    3. And nice conflation of anti-LGBT attitudes with Christianity--you sure you wanna stick with that?

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I rather suspect you are projecting negative internals onto others with whom you disagree, here.


    Yup. And, then, contra his claims, the traditional marriage lobby did not start suing the state to get the judiciary to overturn the result.
    Well their words were nasty and very hurtful if you were a gay person. I found their words offensive...they denigrated gays and their love. Is that my personal perspective? yes.

    And ok, they didnt sue, but they did try to over turn the popular vote by other legal and timewasting means. It harmed people...gay people that wanted to get married as soon as the vote was determined...but they couldnt.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    As far as I am concerned it is over. If I hear any more whining about it I'll just turn and walk away. You (gays) have had your day, you got what you stated you wanted, it's over.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Well their words were nasty and very hurtful if you were a gay person. I found their words offensive...they denigrated gays and their love. Is that my personal perspective? yes.
    I still think you are likely projecting negative internals onto others with whom you disagree.

    And ok, they didnt sue, but they did try to over turn the popular vote by other legal and timewasting means. It harmed people...gay people that wanted to get married as soon as the vote was determined...but they couldnt.
    No, they didn't. They tried to overturn the Legislature with a popular vote. IOW, his claim that traditional-marriage advocates would respond to losing in a legislature by appealing away from rule by the people towards rule by a judiciary was the exact opposite of the case.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    1. Yes, Will, we know that some people around the world are turning to religion as others--particularly in developed societies such as the US--cast it off. Overall, Christianity is struggling to keep up with world population growth.
    1. Christianity is projected to roughly keep it's portion of the global populace. Which means it is projected to continue to grow in raw numbers. Which means that your claim that it is dying out is incorrect.

    2 Meanwhile, Islam is the fastest-growing major religion. (see source above)
    Ah. And it is your theory that Islam does not share his beliefs when it comes to homosexuality?

    3. And nice conflation of anti-LGBT attitudes with Christianity--you sure you wanna stick with that?
    I was under the impression that you were the one making that conflation. However, I am happy to state that it is the Christian position that those who are tempted with homosexual urges should resist, and, when they fail, take that to Christ in a spirit of repentance. That may be anti-homosexuality, but it is certainly not anti-homosexual; a distinction that those who want to holler about this and accuse any who disagree of bigotry seem unable to grasp.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Probably not.

    Neither liberals nor conservatives seem to have much issue ignoring federal law.

    Personally I would rather discuss S&M. That seems like a way more fun topic.

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