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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?
    Nope because republicans will use this an example judicial tyranny or judges overstepping their bounds and claim we must elect republicans in order to ensure that the right judges get picked.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Institutions include people that have built entire careers, entire self-images, and meaning, out of being warriors for The Cause. They're not going to give up just because they won. They are going to go look for new fights, new villains to highlight in mass emails asking for donations, new ways to continue to justify their existence.

    SSM isn't dead. It's about to get ugly.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Institutions include people that have built entire careers, entire self-images, and meaning, out of being warriors for The Cause. They're not going to give up just because they won. They are going to go look for new fights, new villains to highlight in mass emails asking for donations, new ways to continue to justify their existence.

    SSM isn't dead. It's about to get ugly.
    Yup. The National Organization for Marriage now wants to gut SCOTUS and replace it with justices who would support traditional marriage. They are far from calling it quits.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Yup. The National Organization for Marriage now wants to gut SCOTUS and replace it with justices who would support traditional marriage. They are far from calling it quits.
    well, it's not exactly like this wasn't a completely-predicted result of having the judiciary impose social issue decisions on everyone from the top down, as opposed to going through the legislatures.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, it's not exactly like this wasn't a completely-predicted result of having the judiciary impose social issue decisions on everyone from the top down, as opposed to going through the legislatures.
    If the legislatures had voted to allow ssm then you'd have the anti-ssm side suing to block those decisions. Everyone hates the courts until they can make use of them.


    (And of course, vice versa, they love them until they rule incorrectly).

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    IMO, if the rancor continues...and it probably will in the case of businesses...it is only a reflection of a larger issue of the religious extremists/religious right (not necessarily the same thing) trying to continue to force behavioral and (in their view) moral beliefs on Americans in general. Birth control, abortion, gays, etc. They continue to try and establish political platforms and laws on irrelevant and useless crap. And as a Christian, I believe it makes us all look bad. I love my religion and am embarrassed by these close-minded views. And I see it harming my religion in general.

    Something to remember: God gave us all a choice in accepting Him into our hearts and following His Word. It's very presumptuous to then turn around and try and force, thru law, our beliefs on others.

    Not to mention that it's unConstitutional.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Nope. The enemies of love will not go away without a fight.
    Adulterers 'love' too, but that doesn't mean it's right.

    "Love..does not rejoice in iniquity." - 1 Corinthians 13 NKJV
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, it's not exactly like this wasn't a completely-predicted result of having the judiciary impose social issue decisions on everyone from the top down, as opposed to going through the legislatures.
    Meh. NOM would do anything within their power to stop SSM, even if 99% of the country supported it.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Don't refer to complex situations that you are unfamiliar with. California voted to allow SSM first! Then the the anti-SSM groups led by money funneled in from various religious organizations around the country pushed for a ballot measure banning what had just been passed by declaring that under SSM laws, teachers would be required to lecture students as young as five about the gay and lesbian lifestyle, which was completely bogus and proven bogus. However, panicked parents who didn't care who married who did care that their very young kids would be exposed to sexual information inappropriate for their ages, fell for the lie, and voted to ban SSM just in case.

    The ballot measure passed, barely. The courts promptly threw it out. SSM is and has been legal in California for years.
    We didn't vote on it first. It California Supreme Court case in 2008

    And the Mormons were chief among the religious groups trying to stop SSM through Calif's Prop 8.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Adulterers 'love' too, but that doesn't mean it's right.

    "Love..does not rejoice in iniquity." - 1 Corinthians 13 NKJV
    Here's the part of that that you left out:

    Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
    And two men or two women loving each other is not iniquity. THAT is wholly your personal opinion.
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