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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think so. I think we now live in a world where SSM is no longer an issue and all arguments, pro and con, are now moot.

    Seriously, that's actually difficult to wrap my mind around. All the time and energy arguing about who is and isn't pro/anti SSM and why they are and are not is moot. Like the ruling or not, the issue has been settled and it will never go back. Continuing to dwell on it and argue it, especially on the anti-SSM side is pointless. You're just making yourselves miserable over something that most likely will have zero impact on your life. On the pro side, you have every right to celebrate, but maybe you could try to be happy rather than hateful. C'mon, it's supposed easy to be magnanimous when you win (and you have won).

    I, for one, look forward to all the furor settling down. Honestly, this issue felt a little like it tore me in two, understanding arguments on both sides and feeling that there are good hearted and sincere people on both sides, which was probably the most lonely position of all.

    Anyway, do you agree with me that once all the victory laps have been run and all the anger has subsided (and it will with time - it always does), this is essentially a dead issue?

    Now what are we gonna talk about?

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Don't refer to complex situations that you are unfamiliar with. California voted to allow SSM first! Then the the anti-SSM groups led by money funneled in from various religious organizations around the country pushed for a ballot measure banning what had just been passed by declaring that under SSM laws, teachers would be required to lecture students as young as five about the gay and lesbian lifestyle, which was completely bogus and proven bogus. However, panicked parents who didn't care who married who did care that their very young kids would be exposed to sexual information inappropriate for their ages, fell for the lie, and voted to ban SSM just in case.

    The ballot measure passed, barely. The courts promptly threw it out. SSM is and has been legal in California for years.
    California's Prop. 8 was hands-down the most disturbing combination of religion and politics that I have seen in a long time, at least here in the US. How it was framed and how it was passed would be par for the course if we lived in a Christian theocracy--something I am not convinced that extremists such as Rick Santorum and Ted Cruz are opposed to.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Welp, as I said, this kind of **** will be going on for a while.

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    What do you mean "for a while"? The article doesn't mention any long ongoing (in)action. Sounds like she just started protesting since the verdict.

    In other aspects, let's look at her statement: Mrs Davis has pledged she will not give in. Its a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience wont allow me to do that, she said. It goes against everything I hold dear, everything sacred in my life.

    Sounds to me like she should be resigning from her job if her job has become so unacceptably distasteful to her.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    What do you mean "for a while"? The article doesn't mention any long ongoing (in)action. Sounds like she just started protesting since the verdict.

    In other aspects, let's look at her statement: Mrs Davis has pledged she will not give in. “It’s a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won’t allow me to do that,” she said. “It goes against everything I hold dear, everything sacred in my life.”

    Sounds to me like she should be resigning from her job if her job has become so unacceptably distasteful to her.
    "For a while" = we'll be seeing efforts like these...for a while. My guess is it'll be a couple years before it peters out.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    "For a while" = we'll be seeing efforts like these...for a while. My guess is it'll be a couple years before it peters out.
    Oh, got'cha. I misread your previous statement, and as I read it again you clearly meant moving forward. I read it as in the past. My apologies.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    What do you mean "for a while"? The article doesn't mention any long ongoing (in)action. Sounds like she just started protesting since the verdict.

    In other aspects, let's look at her statement: Mrs Davis has pledged she will not give in. Its a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience wont allow me to do that, she said. It goes against everything I hold dear, everything sacred in my life.

    Sounds to me like she should be resigning from her job if her job has become so unacceptably distasteful to her.
    she'll be sued and arrested very soon, all good

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Some people will be arguing against and trying to block SSM until the end of time.

    Wait and see.




    "Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
    Eh, i read an article from someone in spain, where it legalized 10 years ago, gives some perspective. Yes, there are some loudmouths in minor political parties and theocratic organizations. However, 88% of the public there supports it (compared to 60% here) and the effect of this is that no one listens to the crybabies, just dismissing them as sore losers, and gay rights groups have moved on from the issue there.

    What's going on now with the republicans is merely the dust settling. We'll be like spain in 10 years. There's nothing they can do about it anyway. Better to alternately make fun of and ignore them, than get upset

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Don't refer to complex situations that you are unfamiliar with. California voted to allow SSM first! Then the the anti-SSM groups led by money funneled in from various religious organizations around the country pushed for a ballot measure banning what had just been passed by declaring that under SSM laws, teachers would be required to lecture students as young as five about the gay and lesbian lifestyle, which was completely bogus and proven bogus. However, panicked parents who didn't care who married who did care that their very young kids would be exposed to sexual information inappropriate for their ages, fell for the lie, and voted to ban SSM just in case.

    The ballot measure passed, barely. The courts promptly threw it out. SSM is and has been legal in California for years.
    the (largely mormon) false advertising also convinced a fair number of voters that churches would be sued if they refused to marry gay couples, the same hysterical comments we've seen this past week, despite no church has been sued in CA or MA or any other state.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Agreed, but while the OP didn't restrict the geography, I didn't take his question to include the rest of the world.

    I could be mistaken, though.
    You're not. I definitely meant the U.S., since the Supreme Court doesn't decide anything for the rest of the world, at the same time I did mention that "we live in a world" where the issue has been settled (or whatever it was I said) so I can understand the confusion.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Is abortion a done and settled issue now?
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    It's become very apparent that there is nothing respectable about faith
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