View Poll Results: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    If legislators at both the state and federal level decide to test it by passing laws that will restrict or otherwise add limitations to SSM freedoms, then no, it's not going away any time soon.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    If? Arguably the most liberal state in America, California, did vote to ban SSM and the population got overruled by the courts.
    Don't refer to complex situations that you are unfamiliar with. California voted to allow SSM first! Then the the anti-SSM groups led by money funneled in from various religious organizations around the country pushed for a ballot measure banning what had just been passed by declaring that under SSM laws, teachers would be required to lecture students as young as five about the gay and lesbian lifestyle, which was completely bogus and proven bogus. However, panicked parents who didn't care who married who did care that their very young kids would be exposed to sexual information inappropriate for their ages, fell for the lie, and voted to ban SSM just in case.

    The ballot measure passed, barely. The courts promptly threw it out. SSM is and has been legal in California for years.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Don't refer to complex situations that you are unfamiliar with. .
    I didn't. And, it's not that complex.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    I didn't. And, it's not that complex.
    Yes, you did. Stamping your feet and pretending you understand what you don't doesn't change facts. I live here. I know what transpired. You are quite simply wrong.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    It is clearly not over. People are still fighting, gloating, and whining. I give it about 5 years before people just let it go on both sides and let people get married without the need to fight, gloat and whine.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think so. I think we now live in a world where SSM is no longer an issue and all arguments, pro and con, are now moot.

    Seriously, that's actually difficult to wrap my mind around. All the time and energy arguing about who is and isn't pro/anti SSM and why they are and are not is moot. Like the ruling or not, the issue has been settled and it will never go back. Continuing to dwell on it and argue it, especially on the anti-SSM side is pointless. You're just making yourselves miserable over something that most likely will have zero impact on your life. On the pro side, you have every right to celebrate, but maybe you could try to be happy rather than hateful. C'mon, it's supposed easy to be magnanimous when you win (and you have won).

    I, for one, look forward to all the furor settling down. Honestly, this issue felt a little like it tore me in two, understanding arguments on both sides and feeling that there are good hearted and sincere people on both sides, which was probably the most lonely position of all.

    Anyway, do you agree with me that once all the victory laps have been run and all the anger has subsided (and it will with time - it always does), this is essentially a dead issue?

    Now what are we gonna talk about?

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    It is clearly not over. People are still fighting, gloating, and whining. I give it about 5 years before people just let it go on both sides and let people get married without the need to fight, gloat and whine.
    Two years is my estimate. When you're forced to live with a thing (conceptually, of course, I don't mean in your house) and see that no harm is coming of it, it's hard to maintain a head of steam.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Welp, as I said, this kind of **** will be going on for a while.

    Same-sex couples refused marriage licenses in part of America's South - Telegraph

    The latest and perhaps final frontier in the legal battle over gay marriage in America is a clerk's office in rural Kentucky.

    Kim Davis, a county clerk, is one of a handful of officials across the South who have defied the US Supreme Court by refusing to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples. Mrs Davis, who says her Christian beliefs preclude her from facilitating gay marriages, has also stopped issuing licenses to heterosexual couples.

    The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has now filed suit against Mrs Davis on behalf of four couples - two homosexual and two heterosexual - who were turned away when they sought licenses this week.

    Mrs Davis has pledged she will not give in.

    “It’s a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won’t allow me to do that,” she said. “It goes against everything I hold dear, everything sacred in my life.”

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Some people will be arguing against and trying to block SSM until the end of time.

    Wait and see.




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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Two years is my estimate. When you're forced to live with a thing (conceptually, of course, I don't mean in your house) and see that no harm is coming of it,
    it's hard to maintain a head of steam.


    Not for some far right evangelicals.

    They stay fired up 24/7


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