View Poll Results: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Nicely said, and I agree with both.

    I also think that most GOP candidates are breathing a collective sigh of relief that this didn't become an election issue. Some will make it an election issue (Huckabee for instance) but most will run from it with pleasure. Sure there will be lawsuits going on for years but that shouldn't be surprising. And you're right, there is no comparison at all to the abortion debate in this one.
    I think you're right. They dodged a bullet, basically.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    That's exactly right. The polls on abortion have moved hardly at all, whereas SSM has gone from 60-40 against to 60-40 in favor in a mere decade.
    Engineered polls, every one. If any of that were true, and the SCOTUS knows they're not, the social engineers on the bench would have kicked it back to the states. They certainly did not rule by constitution.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The clear difference is that your top court actually follows your constitution. Unlike ours.
    That is because if the court actually followed the Constitution liberal philosophy would be about 90% percent unconstitutional.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The clear difference is that your top court actually follows your constitution. Unlike ours.
    Some would argue that point, considering some of our top court's recent rulings, but in most every case it's virtually a unanimous decision so not the same level of political division and acrimony among jurists on the court that we see in your courts.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    It's not like most care about any social issues that occur globally... if they did, The middle east against woman and LGBT would be a great concern.
    Or woman in Japan...
    Or people in China...
    Or woman in India...
    Patriarchy still rules outside of west Europe and the US... to a much higher degree than any discrimination you'll ever find in the US.
    What would you like me to do about gay rights in qatar, other than boycott coca-cola and visa because they sponsor the world cup there? What should i do about gay rights in uganda? See, you mistake not caring with lack of ability to effect change

    Actually i think you're wrong as far as some of these. The way women are treated in ME is despised and mocked routinely by westerners. It's also unfortunate that many of the women there *agree* with the notion they're inferior, but that's religious extremism for you

    Some of the other issues, people just do not have awareness of. How women are kept subservient in japan is less visible than the beekeeper suits they have to wear in ME, or the fact they're legally banned from driving in saudi and so on.

    Then again, i just saw a week ago driving thru some small michigan town a woman in a full burkha on a hot day. Maybe we should admit it's a religious/cultural problem and not a geographically confined one
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Engineered polls, every one. If any of that were true, and the SCOTUS knows they're not, the social engineers on the bench would have kicked it back to the states. They certainly did not rule by constitution.
    If every single state separately voted to allow gay marriage, you'd still be whining and comparing it to your 9/11 and that you're going to resist just like MLK did. You're not fooling anyone

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    What would you like me to do about gay rights in qatar, other than boycott coca-cola and visa because they sponsor the world cup there? What should i do about gay rights in uganda? See, you mistake not caring with lack of ability to effect change

    Actually i think you're wrong as far as some of these. The way women are treated in ME is despised and mocked routinely by westerners. It's also unfortunate that many of the women there *agree* with the notion they're inferior, but that's religious extremism for you

    Some of the other issues, people just do not have awareness of. How women are kept subservient in japan is less visible than the beekeeper suits they have to wear in ME, or the fact they're legally banned from driving in saudi and so on.

    Then again, i just saw a week ago driving thru some small michigan town a woman in a full burkha on a hot day. Maybe we should admit it's a religious/cultural problem and not a geographically confined one
    It is a religous and cultural problem AND a geopgraphical problem...

    and people need the balls to call out a culture for being immoral... or not right... this is where moral subjectivity becomes a problem, there are cultures in this world that downright are more negative than they are positive, or having glaring support for behavior that is immoral...
    This is the liberal clash of multi-culturalism and human rights.... this is where their beliefs contradict themselves.

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    If every single state separately voted to allow gay marriage, you'd still be whining and comparing it to your 9/11 and that you're going to resist just like MLK did. You're not fooling anyone
    If? Arguably the most liberal state in America, California, did vote to ban SSM and the population got overruled by the courts.
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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    If? Arguably the most liberal state in America, California, did vote to ban SSM and the population got overruled by the courts.
    Do you notice your own link says 2008? You're dreaming if you think that result would be duplicated in any election since then.

    And no, california isn't liberal. Washington voters legalized it and hell, even minnesota

    Tell us again about how this is your 9/11. I want to hear more of this

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    Re: Is SSM a "dead" issue, now?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think so. I think we now live in a world where SSM is no longer an issue and all arguments, pro and con, are now moot.

    Seriously, that's actually difficult to wrap my mind around. All the time and energy arguing about who is and isn't pro/anti SSM and why they are and are not is moot. Like the ruling or not, the issue has been settled and it will never go back. Continuing to dwell on it and argue it, especially on the anti-SSM side is pointless. You're just making yourselves miserable over something that most likely will have zero impact on your life. On the pro side, you have every right to celebrate, but maybe you could try to be happy rather than hateful. C'mon, it's supposed easy to be magnanimous when you win (and you have won).

    I, for one, look forward to all the furor settling down. Honestly, this issue felt a little like it tore me in two, understanding arguments on both sides and feeling that there are good hearted and sincere people on both sides, which was probably the most lonely position of all.

    Anyway, do you agree with me that once all the victory laps have been run and all the anger has subsided (and it will with time - it always does), this is essentially a dead issue?

    Now what are we gonna talk about?

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