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  • arranged child marriage

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  • caste marriage

    1 50.00%
  • group marriage

    1 50.00%
  • incest/cousin marriage

    1 50.00%
  • lavender marriage

    1 50.00%
  • levirate marriage

    1 50.00%
  • polygamy

    2 100.00%
  • posthumous marriage

    1 50.00%
  • sexless/childless marriage

    2 100.00%
  • temporary marriage

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Thread: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    "The husband is the head of the family and the wife is subject to him; her legal civil existence is merged in the husband" - georgia law, 1971

    explaining my list here in a historical context...

    well if you only care about the bible, there is this:



    However, in oral arguments kennedy seemed concerned about upsetting "thousands of years of human tradition" so here you have it:


    arranged child marriage - still the norm in most of africa/asia; for most of this region's history, example: boys from age 7 work as slaves of the future bride's family to 'pay off' the debt (variation on "shim-pua" in taiwan)


    caste marriage - can only marry those within your social/economic/community hierarchy, much of india's history

    group marriage - multiple husbands and wives joined together, ancient hawaii and various native tribes, the oneida in US

    lavender marriage - a gay man and lesbian marry, according to some a viable alternative to SSM

    levirate marriage - a widow is forced to marry her dead husband's brother, too many cultures to list

    intra-racial only - bans on 'race mixing' in US in various states from 1664 to 1971, upheld by supreme court even after the 14th amendment

    incest and cousin marriage - common in middle east to this day, roughly 1/10 marriages worldwide, legal in all US states until civil war and still legal in 20 states

    no marriage allowed - southern chinese cultures like the Na

    polygamy - too many cultures to list, still roughly 50% of marriages in west/central africa

    posthumous marriage - a living person marries a dead one, legal and common in france and senegal, a few cases in the US, longstanding tradition in japan

    temporary marriage - a contracted marriage that ends after predetermined period, sometimes probationary in case the wife doesn't satisfy her husband, ancient scottish tradition that continued until 1939, also common in shia islam
    You need to check your sources. Some of what you have printed there is not what the King James version nor the English Standard Version but someone's view/translation of what is written. If your actually going to say what the bible says, then at least quote it properly. Same to all those who say that it says to kill all homosexuals. The bible only addresses Male homosexuality and says nothing about lesbianism.
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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    The bible only addresses Male homosexuality and says nothing about lesbianism.
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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    You need to check your sources. Some of what you have printed there is not what the King James version nor the English Standard Version but someone's view/translation of what is written. If your actually going to say what the bible says, then at least quote it properly. Same to all those who say that it says to kill all homosexuals. The bible only addresses Male homosexuality and says nothing about lesbianism.
    Please enlighten us as to which of the references are incorrect and what they actually say. I know you will find the wives and concubine reference correct as well as the multiple wives one. Same with the widow marrying the brother of her deceased husband because that was brought directly to Jesus. So which ones are wrong?
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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    The government should have nothing to do with marriage. The government should never have gotten involved in marriage at all. It got involved to keep blacks and whites from marrying and that should never have happened. Our government is involved in many things that is not government business.

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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    You do realize that group marriage and polygamy are the same thing right? You are most likely confusing polygamy with polygyny. The latter is the proper term for one man, many wives. Polyandry is the opposite with one woman, many husbands. Polygamy is simply multiple spouses, or simply a group marriage.
    no, a group marriage as i meant it is multiple spouses of both genders in a single open relationship, as opposed to say, 1 husband 5 wives

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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    no, a group marriage as i meant it is multiple spouses of both genders in a single open relationship, as opposed to say, 1 husband 5 wives
    Correct polygamy. To review:

    Polygyny: a state of marriage consisting of one husband with multiple wives.
    Polyandry: a state of marriage consisting of one wife with multiple husbands.
    Polygamy: a state of marriage consisting of multiple spouses, of which there can be any number or both genders.

    All polygyny is polygamy, but not all polygamy is polygyny
    All polyandry is polygamy, but not all polygamy is polyandry

    Additionally there is polyamory, a recently coined term that refers to holding multiple relationships, at the same time, which may or may not involve marriage. All polygamy is polyamory, but not all polyamory is polygamy

    Thus a group marriage is polygamy.
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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    This thread makes little sense to me.

    Why would anyone be against (SSM) Surface-to-Surface Missiles?

    Maybe a pacifist I guess.




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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    You do realize that group marriage and polygamy are the same thing right? You are most likely confusing polygamy with polygyny. The latter is the proper term for one man, many wives. Polyandry is the opposite with one woman, many husbands. Polygamy is simply multiple spouses, or simply a group marriage.
    I think there could be a slight difference in them though and it is hard to find a way to describe them (which is why I usually say group marriages or having multiple spouses, because group marriages would imply all the people are married to each other, whereas polygamy/having multiple spouses generally just implies that a person has more than one spouse, but doesn't necessarily leave out the case of each spouse having multiple spouses either, without any of the spouses actually being married to each other).
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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    Legally speaking, I'm in favor of any marriage that allows two consenting adults to enter into a contract. It's too complicated and problematic to extend benefits beyond that well-established system and I don't support altering contract law.

    Beyond that, I couldn't care less what people do on their own with their multiple partners or cadavers. :P

    I also don't really care when people try to point out some kind of non-existent hypocrisy because people who support SSM won't let polygamists marry. Like I said, I support contract between two consenting adults. *shrug*

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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    It's really good that we've changed traditions in marriage. Remember, up until the 70's, it wasn't illegal for a husband to rape his wife. And it wasn't a crime in every state until the 90's. And many states (go on, guess which ones) still make it next to impossible to prosecute spousal rape. It's a pretty good thing that we've changed the traditional definition of marriage so that husbands don't own their wives' bodies.
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