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  • arranged child marriage

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  • caste marriage

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  • group marriage

    1 50.00%
  • incest/cousin marriage

    1 50.00%
  • lavender marriage

    1 50.00%
  • levirate marriage

    1 50.00%
  • polygamy

    2 100.00%
  • posthumous marriage

    1 50.00%
  • sexless/childless marriage

    2 100.00%
  • temporary marriage

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Thread: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Actually, I want to give you kudos for bringing those up. I knew about all of them (though not by all the names you listed). But you're referring to instances that have been rejected (or are in the process of being rejected e.g. caste marriage) by the worldwide culture as a whole.
    I didn't know of many of them, did some research.

    Fair enough, but the world is in the process of rejecting the definition of marriage as "one man one woman." The fact that cultures are being wiped out at the barrel of a gun (ex: the chinese govt came in and forced the southern tribes that banned marriage to sign marriage licenses) doesn't change that they have long clung to these traditions, just as the bigots cling to "one man one woman," except under their usual delusion that it's the ONLY traditional form of marriage (this is what i was really getting at)

    So what makes "one man one woman" inherently superior to, say, arranged marriage? The bible? Plenty of arranged marriage. Tradition? That notion ignores most of human history.

    What reasons are we left with then? Well you provide my 2nd reason for this poll...


    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Not only that, but SSM is meant to be something between two consenting adults - but most of those you listed didn't leave room for little things like 'consent'.
    Using the objections to SSM i've heard, i listed some of the forms of marriage that SSM opponents will likely *object* to, yet for reasons that don't apply to SSM (such as lack of consent)

    Anticipating they'll say "arranged marriage doesn't allow consent," well SSM does so...come up with another argument. Similarly, "incest leads to mutated offspring," well SSM doesn't so...

    The only caveat is sexless/childless marriage, which they may tolerate for sympathy reasons despite they complain that gay couples can't reproduce.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Something else to consider is that it has only recently become understood and accepted among most people in the world today that people really are "born that way". A homosexual is born with homosexual tendencies. A bisexual is born with tendencies for both.
    I'm not looking to chastise some peasant from the 1700s for opposing SSM. I know what you're getting at.

    In some of the US, we abhor the 300 years of interracial marriage bans, because only recently have blacks come to have perceived value other than as slaves, and we abhor incest only because we recently found an inherited link to deformities. That's how it goes, evolving rights and limitations based on evolving knowledge and cultural needs. Yet some refuse to evolve...

    I'm not defending arranged marriage or anything like that. I just don't see "one man one woman" as any better and i find the arguments in favor of this definition but against the others i listed to be disingenuous and ethnocentric at best

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Besides, if you'll think about it, if it really were a case of "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve", then God would not allow natural hermaphrodites to be born. Yes, they're very rare, but they are born with both male and female genitalia. That fact in and of itself shows that God DOES allow such to be born...and that there's more to human sexuality than just "Adam and Eve".
    i'm not religious at all...i appreciate your contribution however. It made me think, which is rare in these kind of debates.

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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    You do realize that group marriage and polygamy are the same thing right? You are most likely confusing polygamy with polygyny. The latter is the proper term for one man, many wives. Polyandry is the opposite with one woman, many husbands. Polygamy is simply multiple spouses, or simply a group marriage.
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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    You do realize that group marriage and polygamy are the same thing right? You are most likely confusing polygamy with polygyny. The latter is the proper term for one man, many wives. Polyandry is the opposite with one woman, many husbands. Polygamy is simply multiple spouses, or simply a group marriage.
    And of course, which of those was "traditionally accepted" in the bible as legitimate and not sinful?
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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    Another idiotic thread that proves only that many of those on the American left are incredibly poor and ungracious winners. Rather than try to heal wounds and/or lay low and enjoy the decision, this kind of nonsense is posted that only serves to inflame and divide further. No wonder America is such a hotbed of hate at times.
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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Another idiotic thread that proves only that many of those on the American left are incredibly poor and ungracious winners. Rather than try to heal wounds and/or lay low and enjoy the decision, this kind of nonsense is posted that only serves to inflame and divide further. No wonder America is such a hotbed of hate at times.
    Yet not surprisingly you continue to post idiotic replies in threads you deem "idiotic". Hmmmmm......
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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Yet not surprisingly you continue to post idiotic replies in threads you deem "idiotic". Hmmmmm......
    Yes, a OP that is attempting to call out opponents and purposely misunderstands their position is somehow productive.

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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Yet not surprisingly you continue to post idiotic replies in threads you deem "idiotic". Hmmmmm......
    Still stung from yesterday? Hmmmmmmmmm...................
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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Another idiotic thread that proves only that many of those on the American left are incredibly poor and ungracious winners. Rather than try to heal wounds and/or lay low and enjoy the decision, this kind of nonsense is posted that only serves to inflame and divide further. No wonder America is such a hotbed of hate at times.
    That's what I keep seeing, CJ. Instead of joy over gay marriage being legal, it appears that the big victory here was "in your face religion" or "conservatives lose" and so on. I've never seen a more pathetic display of childishness. This wasn't about "Love wins" and posts all over this board prove it, including this baiting thread.
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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    And of course, which of those was "traditionally accepted" in the bible as legitimate and not sinful?
    Which has what to do with my point that he took a single option and used it twice in different words? It was like choosing between a dog and a canine
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    Re: To the anti SSM crowd: Which traditional forms of marriage should be allowed?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Another idiotic thread that proves only that many of those on the American left are incredibly poor and ungracious winners. Rather than try to heal wounds and/or lay low and enjoy the decision, this kind of nonsense is posted that only serves to inflame and divide further. No wonder America is such a hotbed of hate at times.
    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That's what I keep seeing, CJ. Instead of joy over gay marriage being legal, it appears that the big victory here was "in your face religion" or "conservatives lose" and so on. I've never seen a more pathetic display of childishness. This wasn't about "Love wins" and posts all over this board prove it, including this baiting thread.
    While I don't necessarily agree that this thread is idiotic or trolling, the rest of it is exactly how I have been feeling since the Supreme Court decision. I can't be happy with what I've been seeing but then faith baiting has always bothered me and we have that in spades right now. Probably a good time to make myself scarce for awhile.

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