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Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?


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In general no. There are, as always, exceptions.
 
Christians are socially discriminated against, Try being a younger Christian in today's generation. Everyone likes to dog and attack people who actually live out their faith. Evangelicals are a mocked and socially persecuted minority. One could argue the lawsuits where Christians were forced to cater to things against their beliefs (gay bakery/photo lawsuits) is also discrimination and intolerance.

Are Christians killing themselves because of the stigma against their faith? Are Christians afraid of telling their parents they are Christians due to fear of being disowned and kicked out of their homes? Are Christians afraid of telling their employer's about their faith because they are afraid they will be fired? Are Christians afraid to display their faith openly due to fear of being physically attacked?

No? Okay then. Come back to me when you've got something of substance to complain about.
 
Where I live Mormons are usually the ones that discriminate the most. They are extremely defensive against any criticism of their faith or church but all too willing to discriminate against non Mormons, single mothers, and gays up until recently when the church made a truce and offered to try and bridge differences with the gay communitee. For them to do such an about face like that is pretty remarkable considering the LDS church and it's members were among the largest donators to Prop 8.
 
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**** no.
 
You clearly refuse to see anything from another point of view. The law infringed upon their practice of faith, and as such the law and penalties discriminated against those who's religious beliefs said they shouldn't participate in a gay wedding.

Regardless though, evangelicals or Christians that actually stand for something Biblical are persecuted socially. I don't see how anyone could deny that. In the world of free love, rampant sexual immorality and other such things people who don't support that or partake in it are made fun of, rejected, and socially persecuted.

How did the law infringe on their practice of faith? Did it prevent them from going to their church and worshipping? Did it prevent them from practicing religion in their home? Did it force them to not pray or read their bible any time they wanted?.....No.....the only thing it did was prevent them from using their religion as a ploy to write their own rules to get around the law.
 
Are Christians killing themselves because of the stigma against their faith? Are Christians afraid of telling their parents they are Christians due to fear of being disowned and kicked out of their homes? Are Christians afraid of telling their employer's about their faith because they are afraid they will be fired? Are Christians afraid to display their faith openly due to fear of being physically attacked?

No? Okay then. Come back to me when you've got something of substance to complain about.


Not only is your post wrong, but it's also offensive. We lost a family friend struggling with cancer who committed suicide not too long ago. He was a dear and kind Christian man who lost his battle and chose to end his life. Christians still commit suicide. In fact, I myself was suicidal in the past partially due to bullying and as someone unwilling to have sex with others I was made fun of for being a virgin by choice (not saying that was the sole issue behind it, but it contributed to self esteem issues). When Christians kill themselves or kids bullied for being a Christian it doesn't make headlines because the media's agenda isn't to push that.

In some areas I know people who are afraid to mention their faith or else face the wrath of coworkers or "tolerance" training through HR if a homosexual employee complains they are uncomfortable around them. With the ugliness and judgments being thrown around against Christians I wouldn't be surprised if many in some areas fear mentioning it. How many businesses, when they support traditional marriage (like Chik Fil A) get instantly judged and given a bad wrap over it? How many businesses aren't ashamed to put the pride flag over their company logo? I see them all popping up over social media. You don't have to go much farther than this board to see that many have extremely hateful views and prejudice attitudes towards Christians/Evangelicals.

There are many in some places around the country (primarily liberal areas) that love to hate on Evangelicals and Christians. When it comes to business you don't see them taking stands against SSM, if anything everything is all for it. Not to diminish the struggles or hate the homosexual community has faced, but there is hate and struggles the Christian/Evangelical community faces and is increasingly facing as well.
 
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You clearly refuse to see anything from another point of view. The law infringed upon their practice of faith, and as such the law and penalties discriminated against those who's religious beliefs said they shouldn't participate in a gay wedding.

Regardless though, evangelicals or Christians that actually stand for something Biblical are persecuted socially. I don't see how anyone could deny that. In the world of free love, rampant sexual immorality and other such things people who don't support that or partake in it are made fun of, rejected, and socially persecuted.

Baking a cake does not make them part of a gay wedding. And I clearly doubt the bible will say "you shall not bake a cake if the client be gay".

The fact is that the law of the US says it is not legal to discriminate and every baker knows that when he starts his business.

Peter said in the bible:

Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.

The bible also says you must obey authority and warns of the sin of pride/judging people.

I do not think it is very Christian to refuse someone service purely based on their sexual preference. You judge him unworthy because you think you have that right (even though the bible clearly says you do not have that right at all).
 
I'd say on a social and individual level, certain Christians experience discrimination. As a group? No... they still enjoy a great deal of privilege on the whole.
 
No, they are not. It's a rare situation where the dominant group that holds most of the power is whining because the world is not enough.
 
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Do you think they are?

Increasingly they will be, as it is beginning to seem. The protection of minorities and religious practice are being increasingly removed and individuals have, in fact, been discriminated against. The libertarian movement has developed a bigotry the rivals any I have seen and spews vitriol and hate. If we as a society do not get this sorted out and the legal system back to attempting equality, we are headed for interesting times.
 
Not only is your post wrong, but it's also offensive. We lost a family friend struggling with cancer who committed suicide not too long ago. He was a dear and kind Christian man who lost his battle and chose to end his life. Christians still commit suicide. In fact, I myself was suicidal in the past partially due to bullying and as someone unwilling to have sex with others I was made fun of for being a virgin by choice (not saying that was the sole issue behind it, but it contributed to self esteem issues). When Christians kill themselves or kids bullied for being a Christian it doesn't make headlines because the media's agenda isn't to push that.

I'm sorry for your loss, however what you said doesn't compare with what I pointed out. I didn't say christians don't commit suicide; I said christians aren't pushed to commit suicide by society and in some cases their own families in the way that LGBT people are. There are laws on the books that protect people from being fired due to religion; however, I can go into work tomorrow and be told I don't have a job anymore because of my sexuality and have no recourse whatsoever. (They wouldn't do that, though, if they did they would lose like half the store because it is literally filled with gay people, lol.)

And I'm sorry, but the social norms are changing, and that doesn't equal to discrimination against christians. And it's a fact that you're going to have to face if you're going to be against LGBT equality, and if you're going to say that being LGBT is immoral, people are going to disagree with you. The majority of people, in fact, are going to disagree with you, and yes some of them may be ugly about it, that is not tantamount to discrimination, however; there are assholes in every group of people and you can't avoid that.

It is important to note that Christianity is still the majority religion in this country, and the societal privilege that comes with that is very powerful and protects that group from all sorts of problems, bias, and discrimination that other groups face. The fact that this privilege is being challenged and slowly chipped away at is being described as discrimination is not all that surprising, but holds no place in reality. The fact is that as a christian you're not gonna face widespread ridicule, discrimination, or face any major problems because of your faith.

And this may be a bad debate tactic, but what the hell I'm trying to be honest here. I'll admit, that when someone has said that they are christian, internally I sometimes have a negative reaction. I think my brain goes into flight or fight mode and goes, "well, that person thinks I'm evil and will discriminate against me." I think this is a reaction to me growing up in a situation where christianity was associated with hate, and self shame, and repression. And sometimes that reaction has protected me from some people that I really wouldn't want to associate with in the first place. However, I know that isn't fair, and that most christians are good honest moral people, like most people are. So I do have to fight that impulse in my own head. And it's not just about christians, any kind of deep religious views I kind of have that same reaction. I just encounter christians the most.

So, to sum it up. Are christians discriminated against? No. In fact they are the dominant religion in this country and have all the associated privilege that comes with that. However, the social norms are changing and there is a certain friction that is associated with that, but christians aren't being discriminated against. The only thing happening is that certain groups of people are being given rights that were previously denied to them, and that is a great thing. And this is not unique, we had this same discussion about race 50 years ago. I imagine in 30-40 years, christianity will have changed to meet the societal norms and that most churches will be accepting and affirming of LGBT people and be preforming SS weddings with no problems. Not because some law made them do it, but because the church will change itself to meet the demand of it's consumer base. Because the church is nothing without people in the pews. Hell, I'd like to see the church go away all together, but that is a completely other topic, lol.
 
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I think there is discrimination going on against Christians. Just because they're a majority doesn't mean that discrimination cannot take place so using that as an excuse to explain why there "isn't discrimination against Christians" just doesn't hold water. Lets do a simple hypothetical to show this.

Bakery A, a Christian shop (ran by Christians), refuses to sell cakes to homosexual weddings. Many would agree that such IS discrimination.

Bakery B, a homosexual shop (ran by homosexuals), refuses to sell cakes to Christian and/or heterosexual weddings. Would this not also be discrimination? I would say yes and I would hope that others think so to. Despite the fact that both Christians and heterosexuals are in the majority.

So as we can see with my hypothetical, being in the majority does not shield you from discrimination in totality.

Are the effects of such discrimination reduced? Most certainly. But there is still discrimination going on. And imo if you are against discrimination based upon sex, race, gender, religious beliefs, age, etc etc (all the normal AA stuff) then you should apply that across the board. No matter whether the discrimination is reduced in effect or whether the ones being discriminated against are in the minority or in the majority.
 
You can't get elected unless you're Christian. You can very, very easily not be black and still get elected. Nice try though.

Look at the hate by the Left poured out on Huckabee every four years.
 
Of course not. The problem is that some Christians think that not being allowed to discriminate against others is itself discrimination.

I'm not Christian, but I do agree that forcing people to not discriminate via government means is in itself discrimination. The reason is that there are lots of things that are negatively discriminatory and yet no one demands that the government stop those things. They only demand that the government stop certain discrimination. While ignoring any other type of negative discrimination. As such not allowing certain forms of discrimination while ignoring other forms of discrimination IS by its very definition, discrimination.
 
The Christians have most of the power and run the USA.

If anyone is being discriminated against in the USA it's a mighty good bet that it's the Christians who are doing the discriminating. :roll:




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
 
My answer to the question would be yes and no.

Many on the left hold bigoted attitudes towards Christians, and are quite capable of forming absolutely enormous double standards when it comes to them and any other religion.

Many Christians, however, view any limits being placed on their ability to dictate to others as a sign of discrimination.

In general, I'd say that the latter group tends to fuel the former, which then overreacts in bigoted ways towards the whole group.
 
My answer to the question would be yes and no.

Many on the left hold bigoted attitudes towards Christians, and are quite capable of forming absolutely enormous double standards when it comes to them and any other religion. .

You do realize that "many on the left" are in fact christian. Predominately christian in fact. So does that really make sense?
 
You do realize that "many on the left" are in fact christian. Predominately christian in fact. So does that really make sense?

Obviously. That's why I said "many on the left" and not "the left".

Are you capable of a different form of discrimination -- that of being able to discriminate between a blanket statement and one that isn't?
 
Obviously. That's why I said "many on the left" and not "the left".

Are you capable of a different form of discrimination -- that of being able to discriminate between a blanket statement and one that isn't?

"Many" is deliberately obtuse don't you think?

Define many.

Half?
More than half?
30%?
10%

Many implies a lot.

I don't think "many" on the left discriminate against christians because I think "many" on the left are in fact christian themselves. Which is what I said.

Perhaps you should clarify what "many" means if you don't want somebody to DEBATE/challenge what you said.
 
You do realize that "many on the left" are in fact christian. Predominately christian in fact. So does that really make sense?

It's a bafflement that so many on the right fail to see the glaring disconnect between their professed religion and their politics.
 
"Many" is deliberately obtuse don't you think?

Define many.

Half?
More than half?
30%?
10%

Many implies a lot.

I don't think "many" on the left discriminate against christians because I think "many" on the left are in fact christian themselves. Which is what I said.

Perhaps you should clarify what "many" means if you don't want somebody to DEBATE/challenge what you said.


It must be at least a thousand times by now, I have pointed out the various foibles of both the left and right in the same comment, only to have the partisans for one side or the other getting their panties in a little knot.

You have been in this forum for 8 years, which SHOULD be long enough to notice thousands upon thousands of examples of exactly that tendency I have stated. It should also be long enough to notice that other tendency I have stated, but which you ignore so conveniently.

I'm really hoping a conservative Christian will arrive to perform the same function as you so I can know my work here is complete.
 
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