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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You seem to be making two mutually exclusive points. Pick one.
    Ha ha. See edit.

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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I don't accept that the religious donation exclusion (necessary to make your case) is either valid or useful.
    There has to be a rational amount of religious donation that cannot be included as "charitable", not when some of that donated money goes towards things that cannot be counted for the other side or even for those people if that money were given directly from the person to the cause, rather than through a middle man, the church. It is unfair. It assumes one type of money to a cause, so long as it has a specific middle man, should be considered charity, but other types of money to the same cause or same issue, but on the other side of that issue, can't be considered charity only because of arbitrary rules or because it doesn't involve that middle man who also gives some smaller portion of money to other, much more rationally considered charitable causes.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Sorry, hate to break it to you: there was always a time and place in human civilization where certain things just weren't said. If you believe there was a fabled time where anybody could say whatever they wanted with zero consequence, you're living in a dreamworld.
    Now it's a least coherent, but it's merely serial truisms.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Now it's a least coherent, but it's merely serial truisms.
    Meaning...?

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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There has to be a rational amount of religious donation that cannot be included as "charitable", not when some of that donated money goes towards things that cannot be counted for the other side or even for those people if that money were given directly from the person to the cause, rather than through a middle man, the church. It is unfair. It assumes one type of money to a cause, so long as it has a specific middle man, should be considered charity, but other types of money to the same cause or same issue, but on the other side of that issue, can't be considered charity only because of arbitrary rules or because it doesn't involve that middle man who also gives some smaller portion of money to other, much more rationally considered charitable causes.
    No. I count all the money. You're the one wanting to exclude some.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Meaning...?
    There's nothing to argue with in either sentence and neither makes a point of any importance.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There's nothing to argue with in either sentence and neither makes a point of any importance.
    Of course there's nothing to argue with. Because it's true. Every society in every place and time has a defined ettiquette, with things you can and can't say in open society without some form of consequence. That's that thing you call "political correctness."

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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Of course there's nothing to argue with. Because it's true. Every society in every place and time has a defined ettiquette, with things you can and can't say in open society without some form of consequence. That's that thing you call "political correctness."

    Sorry, but no. Political correctness goes well beyond. It is politicized social interaction.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sorry, but no. Political correctness goes well beyond. It is politicized social interaction.
    All social mores and taboos are politicized social interaction. Tell me one place on earth where there isn't.

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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No. I count all the money. You're the one wanting to exclude some.
    No, you aren't legitimately counting all the money though, because some of the money on the other side of the situation I just described is not counted as charitable donations because the causes that money was being given to are not considered charities.

    Person A gives 100 dollars to Charity X. $20 of that money goes to people directly employed by that charity, another $60 of that money goes to various political campaign causes in support or opposition to political issues, another $10 goes to trying to recruit more people into donating to that charity or believing in the same things of that charity, and only $10 of that money goes to feeding the poor.

    Person B gives $50 to Charity Y. $10 of that money goes to people working for that charity, $5 goes to advertisements for the charity and other expenses, and the other $35 goes to feeding the poor, the same way as the above charity does.

    Which person really gave more money to charity, helped feed more people, especially if the charities each take in roughly the same amount of donations each year from people?
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