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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Is he? Or is he correct that the executive branch and SCOTUS overstepped their constitutional authority in imposing SSM marriage on all the states? Here we have a legitimate debate.
    The only reason anyone opposed SSM in the first place was because they wanted to force society to conform to their religious mores. And no, we don't have a legitimate debate. If Loving was constitutional, then so was Obergefell. Huckabee, and many others on the right, think that their religion overrides the law. They are wrong and they have no business holding any public office if they hold allegiance to some other set of rules besides the constitution.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The only reason anyone opposed SSM in the first place was because they wanted to force society to conform to their religious mores. And no, we don't have a legitimate debate. If Loving was constitutional, then so was Obergefell. Huckabee, and many others on the right, think that their religion overrides the law. They are wrong and they have no business holding any public office if they hold allegiance to some other set of rules besides the constitution.
    Very shallow understanding and a load of red herrings to boot. Did you read Thomas' dissent?
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by rationality View Post
    Do you think they are?
    We're not exactly being fed to the lions anymore, but I still think we are improperly blamed every time Rome proverbially burns.

    The venom some have toward something as positive as Christianity is remarkably troubling, at times.

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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The only reason anyone opposed SSM in the first place was because they wanted to force society to conform to their religious mores. And no, we don't have a legitimate debate. If Loving was constitutional, then so was Obergefell. Huckabee, and many others on the right, think that their religion overrides the law. They are wrong and they have no business holding any public office if they hold allegiance to some other set of rules besides the constitution.
    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Very shallow understanding and a load of red herrings to boot. Did you read Thomas' dissent?
    The remarkable thing was the extreme velocity of change to a social convention that had existed for thousands of years, among the religious and non-religious alike.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The only reason anyone opposed SSM in the first place was because they wanted to force society to conform to their religious mores. And no, we don't have a legitimate debate. If Loving was constitutional, then so was Obergefell. Huckabee, and many others on the right, think that their religion overrides the law. They are wrong and they have no business holding any public office if they hold allegiance to some other set of rules besides the constitution.
    Case in point...

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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The only reason anyone opposed SSM in the first place was because they wanted to force society to conform to their religious mores. And no, we don't have a legitimate debate. If Loving was constitutional, then so was Obergefell. Huckabee, and many others on the right, think that their religion overrides the law. They are wrong and they have no business holding any public office if they hold allegiance to some other set of rules besides the constitution.
    I opposed changing the traditional definition of marriage. And it was for reasons that had nothing to do with my religious beliefs.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Very shallow understanding and a load of red herrings to boot. Did you read Thomas' dissent?
    I did. It was nonsense. It was also a dissent. You know, the side that lost.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I opposed changing the traditional definition of marriage. And it was for reasons that had nothing to do with my religious beliefs.
    Did you oppose changing it when it became interracial? Did you oppose changing it when women gained protection against marital rape? What, besides your religious proclivities, makes homosexuality different?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Case in point...
    As I said before, there is no discrimination against Christians. There are only repercussions against those who are douchebags about their religion. They are a minority of religious people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The remarkable thing was the extreme velocity of change to a social convention that had existed for thousands of years, among the religious and non-religious alike.
    No, the remarkable thing is that you and others cite that as a negative. You don't seem to have a problem with how quickly this country bucked the idea of having a king, pretty much just on the determination of George Washington. That's an "extreme velocity of change". But it's one that didn't happen in your lifetime, so it doesn't make you uncomfortable.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Absolutely Christians are being discriminated against. Look at the Christian bakery, it had to follow the law like any other bakery would. How terrible is that!
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    No matter how far you go back to the creation of the universe, it always comes back to supernatural. Different types of supernatural but neither seems natural to me. If there is a God and this God created our universe that is supernatural. If an entire universe created itself from absolutely nothing that is pretty supernatural as well.
    No, here is another pivotal point. Supernatural is by definition outside of reality. If there is a God, and this "god" is outside the universe, it is supernatural. If there is a god, and this god is part of the universe, it's NOT supernatural. (and certainly not the christian god!) Notice that the term supernatural by definition carries the qualification "does not exist". Existing things are by definition, real (Or where evidenced to be part of reality). This is why for every other reasonable claim it all makes sense, it's only when you ponder "god" you are OK making these mistakes. vampires as an immortal human-like creature that turns into a bat and feeds on blood as popularized in Dracula are supernatural. They do not exist. Unicorns, as in the magical horses with rainbows coming out their behinds, are supernatural. They do not exist. Yet strangely you choose to then claim God creating our universe is supernatural-----but real?? Or that the universe itself is supernatural, therefore not in the universe??? Claiming that science as related to the origins of our current universe, are "supernatural", is absurd. And yes, that's god in the gaps. Go back to creation and suddenly it's OK to claim the supernatural is natural and this is somehow logical? No, they are opposites.

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