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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Its not one side. Its both. You don't hear the crap athiests spew because you don't want to hear it.
    Then point out where atheists are claiming to be discriminated against because they deserve special rights. It shouldn't be too hard for you, should it?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Call who out? You, CEPHUS, you specifically, do it.
    You haven't been reading the Philosophy forum then, I've been doing it for more than 8 years.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I don't have to, it rests 100% on the shoulders of the believers to prove that their beliefs are true. The idea that just because it's a belief, it deserves respect is utterly absurd.
    Then it would fall on you to prove your belief is true. You can talk all day about what you have to do or don't have to do. I don't have to prove my beliefs. Neither do you. Neither does anyone. They are beliefs. The fact that two people believe 2 different things doesn't make one except from proving or put burden on the other.

    However, if you are going to call someone else's beliefs idiotic and all the hate you spew about Christians, you are making a definitive statement and then I would ask you to defend your position. You call people idiots and mock their beliefs and I ask you why they are idiots and why you attack them for believing differently than you and all you have is "i don't have to". We are right back to pathetic. Learn a little about tolerance. You cannot prove yoru beliefs any more than I can prove my. Which by your own logic, if you cannot prove your beliefs, then you are calling yourself an idiot.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You haven't been reading the Philosophy forum then, I've been doing it for more than 8 years.
    Are you saying its ok for you to be an intolerant, idiotic, douchebag (by your own words) just because you've been doing it for 8 years?
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Why is hypocrisy when Christians do it but not others? We setting 2 different standards for some reason?

    For example:

    Christian mocks Athiest for having different beliefs = them being a dick (and i agree)
    Athiest mocks Christan for having different beliefs = Ok, funny, acceptable to some of you.

    Why is that?
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    The only thing I can think of is you think it is wrong for people to be intolerant and mock your beliefs, but it is ok for you to do it to others because you are oh so super special.

    (I dont mean you personally since I haven't seen you doing it, I mean that last statement more for those who actively do it on here and there are plenty).
    You're missing it. It's not about subjective morality. It's any being consistent with your own beliefs. Atheists are not violating any self professed beliefs of tolerance, acceptance, turn the other cheek etc... For Christians it is..

    Again, it's hypocrisy when tested against your own beliefs for Christians, atheists don't have a central dogma, so there is no conflict or hypocrisy.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    The answer to this thread is very simple. It's not asking if Christians are discriminated against, or if there is any evidence of such a thing happening. It's asking if anyone feels like they are. Christians love to feel discriminated against. It's part of their history. Their origin is steeped in it. It's part of their identity. Of course, nobody has actually been discriminating against them for a millennium and a half, but they love to feel discriminated against, even while they're trampling on everyone else.

    That's how not being able to strip gay people of their rights feels like discrimination to them. That's how privilege can twist a person's perception. Equality is a step down, and wanting to feel oppressed makes it even farther out of whack.

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    You cannot disprove the existence of God any more than anyone can prove it. It is a belief. Asking someone to prove something that is by definition un-provable is pathetic. You really seem to have this complex about you that whatever you believe and cannot prove is right and fact, and everyone who believes differently is stupid and should be mocked. Not much more pathetic of an argument than the one you put forth.

    And before you cry about Christians again, yes it is just as pathetic when they mock your beliefs too. But that doesn't make you any less pathetic.
    It would be astoundingly easy to prove the existence of a god. Literally any evidence of divine intervention would suffice. Intercessory prayer working, actual spontaneous creation of life, natural disasters actually being linked with adherence to biblical rules, sightings of angels, prophets publicly performing miracles, you name it...
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    You are correct in that the concept of God by definition cannot be demonstrated. That means, without qualification, that it is fiction, or as related to reality, false.
    I agree with the first part. God cannot be proven or disproven. However you cannot assume that if something cannot be proven that it is then false. Big bang cannot be proven for example, doesn't make it fiction. Many things that are accepted cannot be proven. To draw the line here. You have beliefs, which beliefs cannot or have not been proven, and you have facts, which can be proven.

    The existence of God, either way in the argument is a belief. People on both sides argue their point like it is fact, both sides attempt to defer the burden of proof like this Cephus guy does. They do that because they know that they cannot prove their belief and in trying to do so they'd be forced to admit that their argument is just as weak as the opposite argument.

    To Christianity though, doesn't it teach that non-believers are sinners and will burn for eternity in hell? That's by definition, teaching discrimination as a core belief
    No, I don't think it is. Christianity does teach that, but it does not force people to act on it. Now, for the sake of argument, let's say God does exist and agree on that. And Christians get into heaven, all others burn in hell, you'd could make an argument that God is discriminating based on our laws. But a Christian believing that non-believers burn in hell and does not act on those beliefs is not discriminating.

    You are the first Christian I have seen on these forums that has so succinctly agreed to that.
    I'm not Christian. I just believe in tolerance. I don't think Christians should be mocking or be intolerant of people with different beliefs, and I don't agree with it when people do it to them.

    Go one level deeper as to WHY the behavior was engaged in, and there you may find good vs bad.
    I'd like you to go further with this.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It would be astoundingly easy to prove the existence of a god. Literally any evidence of divine intervention would suffice. Intercessory prayer working, actual spontaneous creation of life, natural disasters actually being linked with adherence to biblical rules, sightings of angels, prophets publicly performing miracles, you name it...
    People who want to believe in God do see proof all over and see that it fits with their beliefs. Those who don't, don't see or acknowledge it or explain it another way. Perception is a big part of beliefs. But beliefs are just that. Beliefs. If you believe that there is no God, it is still a belief.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    You're missing it. It's not about subjective morality. It's any being consistent with your own beliefs. Atheists are not violating any self professed beliefs of tolerance, acceptance, turn the other cheek etc... For Christians it is..

    Again, it's hypocrisy when tested against your own beliefs for Christians, atheists don't have a central dogma, so there is no conflict or hypocrisy.
    I see what you are saying. But I don't hold Christians to any different standard than anyone else. I expect tolerance from everyone whether it is written in a book or not.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I see what you are saying. But I don't hold Christians to any different standard than anyone else. I expect tolerance from everyone whether it is written in a book or not.
    The only person I hold to any standard is myself. Anything more is just a guarantee of disappointment.
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