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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Except nobody is trying to drown them out, in fact, we're often begging them to actually support any of their views and produce evidence for any of their claims. They're just entirely incapable of doing so. Asking that they defend their assertions isn't discrimination, it's a fundamental cornerstone of debate! It's really pathetic that you, a moderator, are totally unaware of that on a debate forum.
    You cannot disprove the existence of God any more than anyone can prove it. It is a belief. Asking someone to prove something that is by definition un-provable is pathetic. You really seem to have this complex about you that whatever you believe and cannot prove is right and fact, and everyone who believes differently is stupid and should be mocked. Not much more pathetic of an argument than the one you put forth.

    And before you cry about Christians again, yes it is just as pathetic when they mock your beliefs too. But that doesn't make you any less pathetic.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    And if discrimination can be proven to have occurred then fines can be levied against those doing the discrimination. Why don't you point to an example, though?

    Spitting on someone already has its own legal status: assault or simple battery. But it's not discrimination.
    No it is not discrimination. I agree with that. Under the right circumstances it would be considered a hate crime I'm sure, but not discrimination. People often confuse discrimination with many other things.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    To actually answer the poll question, the answer has to be no based on the legal definition of it. Below is a link that will help people understand what discrimination actually is.

    What is Discrimination? - FindLaw
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Christians aren't the only ones. There are plenty of Christians who are. But have you talked to many athiests and disagreed with them? They are doing the same crap and openly mocking people who believe differently. You can find countless posts right here on this website with people doing it. Asshats who believe they are right and anyone who believes differently applies universally. You may not notice that some athiests who do the exact same crap as some christians. Or you may be one of the countless people who do notice and laugh at it and then jump online and whine when others do it with your beliefs.
    Yup, but they aren't pretending they get special privileges because they're atheists, are they? Christians are. There are asshats all over but only one side is whining about being discriminated against over it.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    To my point above. Here you are being an asshat and intolerant because people believe differently than you do. And just a couple posts ago you were calling christians douchebags for doing it. Be sure to avoid mirrors.
    Tolerance doesn't mean you give up judgement of anything that goes on. The only things that anyone ought to be tolerant of are things that are actually tolerable. I think some people miss that point. It's not anything goes.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Do you pay any attention to your own actions? You detest Christians who act like dicks. How about athiest who act like dicks? Or are they somehow exempt?
    Nope, I call them out on it too. I call everyone out on it. It's just that the atheists don't whine that I'm being unfair because I'm discriminating against them.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    You cannot disprove the existence of God any more than anyone can prove it. It is a belief. Asking someone to prove something that is by definition un-provable is pathetic. You really seem to have this complex about you that whatever you believe and cannot prove is right and fact, and everyone who believes differently is stupid and should be mocked. Not much more pathetic of an argument than the one you put forth.

    And before you cry about Christians again, yes it is just as pathetic when they mock your beliefs too. But that doesn't make you any less pathetic.
    I don't have to, it rests 100% on the shoulders of the believers to prove that their beliefs are true. The idea that just because it's a belief, it deserves respect is utterly absurd. Hey, it's just a belief that blacks are inferior to whites, we shouldn't criticize it! After all, you can't prove it wrong!
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yup, but they aren't pretending they get special privileges because they're atheists, are they? Christians are. There are asshats all over but only one side is whining about being discriminated against over it.
    Its not one side. Its both. You don't hear the crap athiests spew because you don't want to hear it.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    You cannot disprove the existence of God any more than anyone can prove it. It is a belief. Asking someone to prove something that is by definition un-provable is pathetic.
    You are correct in that the concept of God by definition cannot be demonstrated. That means, without qualification, that it is fiction, or as related to reality, false. You are the first Christian I have seen on these forums that has so succinctly agreed to that. No, actually I have also seen very few atheists or agnostics able to understand that so clearly too. Regarding belief though, God is not a belief, it's a concept that some may believe in or not. You agree it's not real by definition, but hold that belief IN SPITE of that fact. This is very the definition of Faith, and you have faith. Belief without or in spite of evidence (generally, in this case evidence is the acceptance that it's by definition not real) = faith.

    To Christianity though, doesn't it teach that non-believers are sinners and will burn for eternity in hell? That's by definition, teaching discrimination as a core belief. Discrimination in itself is not bad though, it's natural. But discriminating against those not of your religious belief, when it goes beyond just a private belief, and affects others, especially in matters of law, politics, education, healthcare, etc., is wrong. Its OK to be wrong sometimes, but let's not claim that those who oppose Christianity because Christianity is in bad ways, discriminatory, are then labeled as "discriminatory" and it's a moot point. It's not a moot point. Remember that Christian beliefs have infiltrated laws, and those laws affect non-Christians, often in very big life changing ways. There is cause for concern and opposition, let's not act like it's all just private belief in private churches (who are somehow tax exempt to boot).

    Also, someone who kills someone is a killer. But if you were legitimately defending yourself against a home invader at night, I can assure you being that sort of "killer" is quite different than being who breaks in and kills home owners to steal their things. Both look in the mirror and have killed, yet you and I both know they are different, and one my be justified, and one is not. Just because someone discriminates against Christianity, doesn't mean they are hypocritical or "two wrongs don't make a right". Go one level deeper as to WHY the behavior was engaged in, and there you may find good vs bad.

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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Nope, I call them out on it too. I call everyone out on it. It's just that the atheists don't whine that I'm being unfair because I'm discriminating against them.
    Call who out? You, CEPHUS, you specifically, do it.
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