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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You were asked for proof. You did not provide proof. You did not point to anything specific. You posted a general link and pretty much said "go look for it yourself". That is not proof. That is wimping out.
    No, I never said to "go look for it yourself". As evidenced by the posts following that one.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You might be right about the google home page. But even then, its still a valid resource. Doing such is like saying "here! pick your choice, there's lots of choices to pick from!".
    Oh, so were parsing the posts now? Crap, I really hate when debates graduate to this point. Cephus (I'm pretty sure) was the one who suggested that you can't just link to the home google search page. You actually have to go in there, find a story, and link to it. That was his point.

    Why exactly did they have to manufacture such video's in the first place? Is it because there's more focus on the negative aspects of Christians in this particular area than of Muslims? If so...why is that? Because the videos, even if "forced" to be made did show exactly the same things that Christians were being accused of. Yet there was no outcry about that.
    They manufactured those videos because they wanted to create a narrative that "everybody's doing it" but couldn't find any real world examples on their own that supported that theory. This was an awful reaction for two reasons: 1)Two wrongs don't make a right, and 2)by resorting to manufacturing outrageous troll videos they effectively proved that discrimination against Christians isn't actually a thing. They thoroughly shot themselves in the foot.

    So because its not "systemic" in your opinion then its ok to ignore the, in your opinion, "minor" instances of discrimination? Why?

    And do you realize that you just admitted that there is indeed discrimination going on towards Christians?
    No instance of discrimination if tolerable. Before we can even get to that point, though, at least for god's sake give us something specific to talk about and link to a story of discrimination against Christians. You can do at least that much, can't you? And seriously, this "people are being mean" bull**** isn't discrimination. I'm talking about the real use of the word in this discussion. I want to see Christians turned down for jobs, Christians turned away from businesses. And remember, private clubs and churches don't count -- they have carte blanche to discriminate.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No, I never said to "go look for it yourself". As evidenced by the posts following that one.
    I said "pretty much", which means it was implied. Providing a specific link to a specific source was not done.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Anybody who looks at the religious make up of the decision makers in our financial institutions, our biggest companies, our government, and law enforcement organizations and still concludes that Christians are discriminated against in the US is an absolute idiot. If they won't look at those factors, it's clearly because they don't match the hurt Christian narrative.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Christians are socially discriminated against, Try being a younger Christian in today's generation. Everyone likes to dog and attack people who actually live out their faith. Evangelicals are a mocked and socially persecuted minority. One could argue the lawsuits where Christians were forced to cater to things against their beliefs (gay bakery/photo lawsuits) is also discrimination and intolerance.
    Yup.

    Ya know... It's funny, because a couple of posters on this board were actually giving me crap for being outspokenly religious and admitting to visiting a bar with friends and flirting with women a while back.

    My response? It's just about the only thing socially active young people do these days.

    Thankfully, I'm Catholic, and we're not quite so picky on the alcohol thing as some other sects I could name. However, the point that one really can't be "social" with the average Millennial without having at least some degree of tolerance for "sinful" things like drunkenness, casual sex, and generally promiscuous behavior still stands either way regardless.

    Unless you're planning on doing nothing but sitting at home and occasionally visiting Church groups, you've just kind of got to keep your mouth shut, go with the flow, and do your best to abstain when someone tries to pressure you into doing something you know to be morally wrong. That's simply the kind of culture we live in these days.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Under the law, Christians are allowed to practice their religion precisely as much as everyone else is. If anyone is denying Christians rights disproportionately to other faiths/non-faiths, then they are practicing discrimination and breaking the law.
    You might be correct if only comparing Christianity to treatment of other theistic religions, however regarding religious practice as a whole including Christianity there is discrimination. If you do not think it to be so, look up the list of cases at the aclj, or do a general google search. Easy enough to determine. If you only define discrimination as "compared to" rather than against constitutional religious liberty, I give you secularism as the preferred religion.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    You might be correct if only comparing Christianity to treatment of other theistic religions, however regarding religious practice as a whole including Christianity there is discrimination. If you do not think it to be so, look up the list of cases at the aclj, or do a general google search. Easy enough to determine. If you only define discrimination as "compared to" rather than against constitutional religious liberty, I give you secularism as the preferred religion.
    There is a legal approach to discrimination that everybody falls under. If religion is a protected class (and it is) then everybody (except private clubs and churches) is barred from discriminating against people because of their faith.

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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    There is a legal approach to discrimination that everybody falls under. If religion is a protected class (and it is) then everybody (except private clubs and churches) is barred from discriminating against people because of their faith.
    Yet it consistently happens, usually with the blessing of more liberal courts. Again check the ACLJ list of cases. Discrimination exists despite the protected status, just as blacks undergo discrimination despite their protected status. Just the other day Father Jonathan Morris was spit on during a gay rights celebration for merely being present wearing the daily attire of a Catholic priest. If this was a black man spit on at a confederate flag ralley, no one would see it as anything other than discrimination.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Yet it consistently happens, usually with the blessing of more liberal courts. Again check the ACLJ list of cases. Discrimination exists despite the protected status, just as blacks undergo discrimination despite their protected status. Just the other day Father Jonathan Morris was spit on during a gay rights celebration for merely being present wearing the daily attire of a Catholic priest.
    And if discrimination can be proven to have occurred then fines can be levied against those doing the discrimination. Why don't you point to an example, though?

    Spitting on someone already has its own legal status: assault or simple battery. But it's not discrimination.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I didn't say against being a douchebag, I said they wanted to be douchebags without consequence. They want to act like asshats and not have anyone disagree with them or take them to task for it. When they are called idiots for acting like idiots, they whine and pretend to be discriminated against. No, they brought it on themselves, all they have to do is stop acting like morons. There aren't government consequences for being stupid, only for breaking the law. There are social consequences though.
    Christians aren't the only ones. There are plenty of Christians who are. But have you talked to many athiests and disagreed with them? They are doing the same crap and openly mocking people who believe differently. You can find countless posts right here on this website with people doing it. Asshats who believe they are right and anyone who believes differently applies universally. You may not notice that some athiests who do the exact same crap as some christians. Or you may be one of the countless people who do notice and laugh at it and then jump online and whine when others do it with your beliefs.
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