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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    So you are being discriminated not because of your beliefs,but because you were once a criminal. Maybe you shouldn't have committed crimes in the past.The past have a way of coming back and haunting people. That lady from the welfare office should have been fired. I work with a prison work-release program providing employment in my restaurants and catering company to give model prisoners a second chance in life.

    I was never a criminal,and never been arrested for committing a crime. Yet I've still been discriminated many times throughout the decades.If you accuse Cardinal and others of narrowing down the definition of discrimination, then It would seem you are broadening the definition of discrimination to the point that it becomes meaningless. All discrimination is horrible,but some are worse than others. One cannot compare what you one goes through on an open internet forum to being denied employment because of color or belief.
    Well, at least you admit that I was discriminated against. I simply find that amazing since you are still holding up what Cardinal and others are spouting.

    And yes, one can compare for the simple fact that it IS discrimination. It might not seem like its "MAJOR LEAGUE BIG BOYS DISCRIMINATION" as portrayed by some, but it IS still discrimination. And it IS what the question of the thread was. No one gets to change the definition of discrimination just because they find some forms of discrimination acceptable and others not as acceptable. All that does is ignore discrimination. And through that ignoring the discrimination gets worse and worse until it becomes a problem. Don't believe me? Look at how you responded to my claims of discrimination because of my criminal history. You pretty much scoffed at it. "Maybe you shouldn't have committed crimes in the past" and "I was never a criminal". Yeah sure, you might have a prison work-release program at your restaurants, but you still look down upon criminals as evidenced by your comments towards me and my criminal history. And yet you know nothing of that history beyond the fact that I have one. Yet you still condemn me for it and find it acceptable that I was discriminated against. Evidenced by the phrasing of your words.

    I haven't broadened any definition. If you consider it broad it is because you are not considering certain things as fitting the definition because they are, to you, piddly compared to what you've experienced. But you thinking that they are piddly does not mean that it is not discrimination and that there isn't an effect.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Debate Politics is based in the USA.

    Its fine, if you don't want to acknowledge it that is of course up to you. But I did provide evidence. If you won't accept it or debate it then that is on you. Not me.
    Linking to the DP homepage as some sort of evidence of discrimination against Christians is no different than if you asked me for evidence of discrimination against minorities and I linked to a picture of the United States and did a mic drop. I think even you should be able to see why that kind of response would be awful.

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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yup, I remember why, because you had a lot of whiny religious asshats who couldn't handle the fact that others were able to question their blind faith and doubt their idiotic conclusions so DP decided to coddle the immature little children and give them their own section where they could be protected in their own little echo chamber.

    And you act like that's a good thing.
    Actually the Mods came up with the idea because they saw what was going on. Had nothing to do with "whiny religious asshats". Had to do with exactly the reason that I said.

    I do find your post funny though. You just proved my point regarding how religious members on DP are treated and why the religion and philosophy sections got seperated. Thanks!
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually the Mods came up with the idea because they saw what was going on. Had nothing to do with "whiny religious asshats". Had to do with exactly the reason that I said.

    I do find your post funny though. You just proved my point regarding how religious members on DP are treated and why the religion and philosophy sections got seperated. Thanks!
    Actually, you just completely defeated your own point, because rather than the forum moderators condoning the treatment given to Christians, they went a step in the opposite direction and gave Christians a safe room where they couldn't receive negative treatment at all. But then, you seem to be operating on the idea that discrimination means "rude treatment," which of course anyone knows is absolutely not what it means.

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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Linking to the DP homepage as some sort of evidence of discrimination against Christians is no different than if you asked me for evidence of discrimination against minorities and I linked to a picture of the United States and did a mic drop. I think even you should be able to see why that kind of response would be awful.
    And then what did I do in the following posts? I explained why I did that didn't I? You see, I didn't just drop the mic. Such a scenario would only be valid had I permanently left the thread. But I didn't. You sorta "questioned" why I posted the link (through a few insulting posts) and I explained why I posted it.

    You see, all that he had to do was question why I posted it but he didn't did he? Instead he dismissed it and called everything else that I was saying as "twisting". Much like your initial post regarding that link did, just using different words.

    My response wasn't what was awful. What was awful was the response I got to my response. Neither one of you were even slightly curious as to why I posted that link. You both immediately went on to mock me and claim that I don't know what discrimination is. Neither of you stopped for even a second to consider that that link might hold something in it that might show that you two were wrong. Why is that? Is it because you're unwilling to consider that maybe, just maybe you might be wrong about something? That you don't know everything that there is to know about discrimination? That someone couldn't show you or teach you that there IS other forms of discrimination that perhaps you've never considered before? That perhaps your beliefs on what discrimination is really is too narrow?
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Actually, you just completely defeated your own point, because rather than the forum moderators condoning the treatment given to Christians, they went a step in the opposite direction and gave Christians a safe room where they couldn't receive negative treatment at all. But then, you seem to be operating on the idea that discrimination means "rude treatment," which of course anyone knows is absolutely not what it means.
    Why should the Moderators condone the treatment given to Christians? Last I knew the rules of this place demanded civility do they not? For example, going by your "logic" here it would be perfectly acceptable for someone to tell someone that is not a US resident to stop posting non-US matters on an American forum. Yet going by how Moderators work we would find such a stance discriminatory and at the very least warn that person not to do such again. (I've done it before). That would be discriminatory to you to yes? Well, I hope that you would think so anyways. Well, the same thing was happening with Christians on this board. There were some that were just as direct as my example. And others that would purposely seek out any religious threads and bash those that were religious in order to purposely disrupt a conversation.

    And no, I am not operating on the idea that discrimination is "rude treatment". I'm operating on the idea that discrimination is something which one person or a group of persons favor or disfavor someone or a group of someone's because of a certain aspect that they either like or dislike.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Debate Politics is based in the USA.

    Its fine, if you don't want to acknowledge it that is of course up to you. But I did provide evidence. If you won't accept it or debate it then that is on you. Not me.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    A link to this site is evidence of nothing.
    I'm sure it is nothing to you if you don't want to even question why I posted the link. (which I did in posts before and after that one) "Not to know is bad; not to wish to know is worse." ~ African Proverb
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Why should the Moderators condone the treatment given to Christians? Last I knew the rules of this place demanded civility do they not? For example, going by your "logic" here it would be perfectly acceptable for someone to tell someone that is not a US resident to stop posting non-US matters on an American forum. Yet going by how Moderators work we would find such a stance discriminatory and at the very least warn that person not to do such again. (I've done it before). That would be discriminatory to you to yes? Well, I hope that you would think so anyways. Well, the same thing was happening with Christians on this board. There were some that were just as direct as my example. And others that would purposely seek out any religious threads and bash those that were religious in order to purposely disrupt a conversation.

    And no, I am not operating on the idea that discrimination is "rude treatment". I'm operating on the idea that discrimination is something which one person or a group of persons favor or disfavor someone or a group of someone's because of a certain aspect that they either like or dislike.
    Believe it or not, even as a publicly avowed atheist I don't actually begrudge the creation of a "safe room" for Christians. It doesn't bother me and there's no reason why it should. If fellow posters are being rude to the point that discussion on a topic becomes untenable, then I support extraordinary measures in venues such as this one that bring civility back to the forum. A great example of where I think "martial law" should be applied, as in the I.P. forum, is the environment subforum where paid shills have drowned out the discussion so that it's effectively become a demilitarized zone, but I'm starting to rant, so back on topic.

    The problem is you're working off a definition of discrimination that has zero bearing on this topic. Yes, there is "discriminating taste," such as I prefer that cake over the other one, but that has nothing to do with things like workplace discrimination, or discriminating against customers based on their religion/ethnicity/etc., which has specific parameters [mostly] understood in law. You're confusing the legal and social definition of discrimination with a pedantic one that is meaningless in this context.
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    Re: Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Believe it or not, even as a publicly avowed atheist I don't actually begrudge the creation of a "safe room" for Christians. It doesn't bother me and there's no reason why it should. If fellow posters are being rude to the point that discussion on a topic becomes untenable, then I support extraordinary measures in venues such as this one that bring civility back to the forum. A great example of where I think "martial law" should be applied, as in the I.P. forum, is the environment subforum where paid shills have drowned out the discussion so that it's effectively become a demilitarized zone, but I'm starting to rant, so back on topic. Point being, the

    The problem is you're working off a definition of discrimination that has zero bearing on this topic. Yes, there is "discriminating taste," such as I prefer that cake over the other one, but that has nothing to do with things like workplace discrimination, or discriminating against customers based on their religion/ethnicity/etc., which has specific parameters [mostly] understood in law. You're confusing the definition of discrimination with a social and legal one.
    I thought "civility is a must" here. And who do you think is a "paid shill" in the environment subforum?
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