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  • changed

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  • is exactly the same

    35 71.43%
  • is better thanks to SCOTUS ruling

    4 8.16%
  • is completely worthless thanks to SCOTUS ruling

    2 4.08%
  • has been ruined thanks to SCOTUS ruling

    2 4.08%
  • I'm divorcing because of SCOTUS ruling

    2 4.08%
  • what ruling? Who's SCOTUS?

    1 2.04%
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Polyanrists are polygamists.
    Thank you. According to Merriam Webster's polyandry is married to more than one male and polygyny is being married to more than one female. I should have used those two or simply stuck with polygamy, which can be either.

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    You should not make assumptions. They may be wrong as they are in this case.
    To summarize my view, this SSM episode made me painfully aware of all the government benefits of marriage. I do not want to receive any privilege that others can not get. There are 2 solutions and I don't really care which way government wants to go-either make marriage more accessible to all (polygamists, polyandrists, asexuals, nonsexuals, siblings/blood relative, etc.), or get government out of such personal considerations and end all government special benefits for marriage. Seems simple.

    Simply extending special privilege to LGBT couples doesn't solve the equality/fairness problem.

    You are right that I did not see this reality of special privilege of marriage before but I do now. I don't want any special privilege for myself that is denied others. If wanting equality and fairness is wrong in your mind, so be it. It would be illogical to accuse me of having the same rationale as others and it is illogical to think that there is only one mindset (anti-gay) that would led someone to the conclusions that I have.
    I am actually one of the few that agree with you and have posted much the same many times before. People who choose to live together in a dependent relationship, whether that dependence is based on finances or intimacy or medical/disability need or any other criteria, should be able to reap the benefits of "marriage."
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's stupid questions like this that trivialize the real problem with recent Supreme Court rulings. The problem is, many of them have little to do with law and everything to do with a Supreme Court that's lost its way. It no longer sees itself as an interpreter of the law under the confines of the constitution. It now sees itself as social engineers, charged with making the hard decisions that a divided America is too fractured to make politically. That's wrong.

    And if Chief Justice Roberts wasn't so tragically conflicted and idiotic, he'd be comical. He's spent two years ignoring the constitution and the letter of the law to manufacture two majority decisions related to the ACA and he has the gall to criticize the majority in the same sex marriage ruling for making a decision that has nothing to do with the constitution and is just a feel good move. The man should resign or be impeached before he can do any more harm.
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    My husband just wanted sex with my friends.

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    I felt somewhat obligated to buy my wife a strap-on. Does that count?
    Ummmm...only if she uses it on you. (Bend over and spread 'em, big boy. Momma's creeping up behind you without lube! )
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    You should not make assumptions. They may be wrong as they are in this case.
    To summarize my view, this SSM episode made me painfully aware of all the government benefits of marriage. I do not want to receive any privilege that others can not get. There are 2 solutions and I don't really care which way government wants to go-either make marriage more accessible to all (polygamists, polyandrists, asexuals, nonsexuals, siblings/blood relative, etc.), or get government out of such personal considerations and end all government special benefits for marriage. Seems simple.

    Simply extending special privilege to LGBT couples doesn't solve the equality/fairness problem.

    You are right that I did not see this reality of special privilege of marriage before but I do now. I don't want any special privilege for myself that is denied others. If wanting equality and fairness is wrong in your mind, so be it. It would be illogical to accuse me of having the same rationale as others and it is illogical to think that there is only one mindset (anti-gay) that would led someone to the conclusions that I have.
    If you don't want the "special privileges" and are married, get divorced. Problem solved. And I don't buy your explanation. Perhaps you're being honest, but I've been debating this issue for years, and I have yet to find someone who didn't "magically" come to the conclusion that government sanctioned marriage is wrong for any reason other than SSM becoming more likely to be law. As far as other types of relationships, that is not for the scope of this thread, however, there is no consistency between those relationships and either traditional marriage or SSM.
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I keep coming back to this question: You're Canadian and live in Canada. Why do you care so much what happens in the United States of America?
    And I keep coming back to the question: You're not me, so why does my opinion matter so much to you? Why does my nationality and place of residence matter so much to you?

    I converse with people from all over the world with broadly differing views and differing ideologies and never consider for a moment their nationality or race or gender or age or whatever, only focusing on the nature of their comments/opinions and my view of those comments/opinions.
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If you don't want the "special privileges" and are married, get divorced. Problem solved.
    And if I am against white privilege, I should simply undergo plastic surgery and dermatology changes to be Black? What a silly, narcissistic concept. Inequality anywhere is a crime against all of us as humans.
    I have been presenting my views on this in public forums for some time, long before the first time I heard that some others wanted to end marriage due to these changes. Frankly I am surprised at this turn of events.

    But still, why are you opposed to ending government special rights to married people? Why should government be involved in this? We have laws on equal protection and special rights seem to be a violation of equal protection laws.

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
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    But still, why are you opposed to ending government special rights to married people? Why should government be involved in this? We have laws on equal protection and special rights seem to be a violation of equal protection laws.

    There are over 1,000 special privilege benefits to marriage.
    Here is a sample of some of them.
    Do you really want to give up all of them?

    Government benefits
    Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
    Receiving veterans' and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.
    Receiving public assistance benefits.


    Employment Benefits

    Obtaining insurance benefits through a spouse's employer.
    Taking family leave to care for your spouse during an illness.
    Receiving wages, workers' compensation, and retirement plan benefits for a deceased spouse.
    Taking bereavement leave if your spouse or one of your spouse's close relatives dies.

    Medical Benefits
    Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.
    Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.
    Death Benefits
    Consenting to after-death examinations and procedures.
    Making burial or other final arrangements.

    Family Benefits

    Filing for stepparent or joint adoption.
    Applying for joint foster care rights.
    Receiving equitable division of property if you divorce.
    Receiving spousal or child support, child custody, and visitation if you divorce.


    Housing Benefits

    Living in neighborhoods zoned for "families only."
    Automatically renewing leases signed by your spouse.

    Consumer Benefits

    Receiving family rates for health, homeowners', auto, and other types of insurance.
    Receiving tuition discounts and permission to use school facilities.
    Other consumer discounts and incentives offered only to married couples or families.


    Other Legal Benefits and Protections

    Suing a third person for wrongful death of your spouse and loss of consortium (loss of intimacy).
    Suing a third person for offenses that interfere with the success of your marriage, such as alienation of affection and criminal conversation (these laws are available in only a few states).
    Claiming the marital communications privilege, which means a court can't force you to disclose the contents of confidential communications between you and your spouse during your marriage.
    Receiving crime victims' recovery benefits if your spouse is the victim of a crime.
    Obtaining immigration and residency benefits for noncitizen spouse.
    Visiting rights in jails and other places where visitors are restricted to immediate family.
    Read more:

    http://www.nolo.com/legal-encycloped...its-30190.html
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And I keep coming back to the question: You're not me, so why does my opinion matter so much to you? Why does my nationality and place of residence matter so much to you?

    I converse with people from all over the world with broadly differing views and differing ideologies and never consider for a moment their nationality or race or gender or age or whatever, only focusing on the nature of their comments/opinions and my view of those comments/opinions.
    Your opinion doesn't matter to me. Your obsession with American affairs does! Tell you what...next time there's a problem in the Good Ole U.S. of A, I'm just gonna blame Canada for it.
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