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  • changed

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  • is exactly the same

    35 71.43%
  • is better thanks to SCOTUS ruling

    4 8.16%
  • is completely worthless thanks to SCOTUS ruling

    2 4.08%
  • has been ruined thanks to SCOTUS ruling

    2 4.08%
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  • what ruling? Who's SCOTUS?

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unicron View Post
    One day he did get upset about bold and the beautiful when he was home early from work.
    Yeah. I'd suggest counseling.

    Oh, and getting rid of those stupid emoticons at the bottom of the page. At this point you can't pretend you're not just doing it to irritate people.

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I mean, that is not the job of SCOTUS... that is the job of you and congress and the president.... Their job is just being lawyers of the constitution, that's it.... When they walk into that court room the only god is the constitution and it's commandments are the Bill of rights.

    . I'm for gay marriage...
    The Bill of Rights is only the first Ten Amendments. That is it. The Constitution all together is the rules the SCOTUS must reference, but it includes all the Amendments, not just the first ten.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The Bill of Rights is only the first Ten Amendments. That is it. The Constitution all together is the rules the SCOTUS must reference, but it includes all the Amendments, not just the first ten.
    cool, I know that, but That has nothing to do with my point...that was just metaphor...

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unicron View Post
    That's extremely insensitive of you. I'm some what isolated at the moment. That's why I post on forums. There's no need to be mean about it.
    Not being mean. I just don't believe the tripe you post regarding this topic.

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    I find your answer odd, coming from a self described "very liberal".
    Why should the government be involved in the bedroom? That is the real issue here. For some time, same sex couples have been allowed to cohabitate and to call themselves married. This ruling really concerned the special rights given to governmentally approved marriages by the government and the "equality" that these special rights should grant. But think about this. As currently defined, marriage is based on a basically Biblical belief that sex between 2 individuals is so special that it should be only done by adults in a long term loving relationship. And because it is so special , government grants these couples special rights. How archaic is that?

    Before, only hetero couples got these special government issued rights. Now same sex couples do as well. And, as we approach 50% of the adult population being single, many for life, where is the equality for them? Why are special rights given to people who subscribed to the Biblical idea that sex should only be done between 2 people in a long term, loving relationship? What about asexuals, non-sexuals, polygamists, polyandrists, and, most importantly and the biggest group, the people who do not prescribed to the Biblical ideals and are content to have a variety of short term non committed sexual encounters?

    Keep government out of the bedroom by ending all government issued benefits based on this religious concept. The value of "marriage" is from the participants themselves and the esteem in which they hold marriage. No government special benefits need to be required.
    What exactly do you think the difference is between asexuals and nonsexuals? And are you of the impression that they can't or don't legally get married? Polygamy has been covered and we may see it legal at least to a degree.

    If they don't want to take on the responsibilities of marriage, which have little to do with raising children and nothing to do with procreation, then you shouldn't get the benefits. Not that hard to figure out.

    Marriage is not about sex, but rather intimate, longterm (or at least entered into with this assumption) relationships where people agree to take on specific responsibilities for another and vice versa and are given certain legal recognition and benefits for that agreement.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    cool, I know that, but That has nothing to do with my point...that was just metaphor...
    It wasn't a very good one because it assumes that the first Ten Amendments are set in stone. While it is unlikely they will change, they are not completely set in stone, nor inflexible.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It wasn't a very good one because it assumes that the first Ten Amendments are set in stone. While it is unlikely they will change, they are not completely set in stone, nor inflexible.
    There are ways to change it ... and no I did not imply that. When the SCOTUS walks into the courtroom, the CONSTITUION AS IN PRESENTLY STATES.... is their god and the Amendments it's commandments. Nothing else is their job... NOTHING. Does it follow the constituion?-is their only concern.... It IS YOUR responsibility to change it, NOT THERES

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    There are ways to change it ... and no I did not imply that. When the SCOTUS walks into the courtroom, the CONSTITUION AS IN PRESENTLY STATES.... is their god and the Amendments it's commandments. Nothing else is their job... NOTHING. Does it follow the constituion?-is their only concern.... It IS YOUR responsibility to change it, NOT THERES
    There is no way to get around interpretation, especially when it comes to the law. We wouldn't have lawyers, wouldn't need them if the Constitution, any laws were absolutely straight forward.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There is no way to get around interpretation, especially when it comes to the law. We wouldn't have lawyers, wouldn't need them if the Constitution, any laws were absolutely straight forward.
    As long as that "interpretation" isn't biased, than yea... If I was a supreme court member I would try to be as 100% objective as possible.... if Hitler walked in and his case followed the constitution, he would be very happy that I was a Supreme court judge because I wouldn't give a crap WHO he is or what his motives are... just whether whatever he wanted followed the Constitution.... I wouldn't care if my ruling made 10000^12 of people sad and made just one happy, if you don't like the constituion and it's words, there are ways to change it.

    THE SAME goes with lawyers and judges in a criminal court, if the law messes up of if the authorities skipped protocol and didn't follow the law themselves. And proves beyond reasonable doubt. GUESS what!!!??? No matter how guilty the person is, he runs free...
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I have read everything you wrote. You made an argument against SSM. Your argument against marriage in general is a ruse. Until SSM started to become a reality, only extreme fringe people discussed getting government out of marriage altogether. Now, it's a common theme amongst the "softer" anti crowd.
    You should not make assumptions. They may be wrong as they are in this case.
    To summarize my view, this SSM episode made me painfully aware of all the government benefits of marriage. I do not want to receive any privilege that others can not get. There are 2 solutions and I don't really care which way government wants to go-either make marriage more accessible to all (polygamists, polyandrists, asexuals, nonsexuals, siblings/blood relative, etc.), or get government out of such personal considerations and end all government special benefits for marriage. Seems simple.

    Simply extending special privilege to LGBT couples doesn't solve the equality/fairness problem.

    You are right that I did not see this reality of special privilege of marriage before but I do now. I don't want any special privilege for myself that is denied others. If wanting equality and fairness is wrong in your mind, so be it. It would be illogical to accuse me of having the same rationale as others and it is illogical to think that there is only one mindset (anti-gay) that would led someone to the conclusions that I have.

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