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  • changed

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  • is exactly the same

    35 71.43%
  • is better thanks to SCOTUS ruling

    4 8.16%
  • is completely worthless thanks to SCOTUS ruling

    2 4.08%
  • has been ruined thanks to SCOTUS ruling

    2 4.08%
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  • what ruling? Who's SCOTUS?

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    But there's more to life than money - and I find women so much more fun ...

    Hey you were the one who started out saying it was for financial reason. Besides, didn't I say one of each? If my husband and I ever sleep together, it will be in the most literal sense. The new wife and I.....
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    The statistics say otherwise.
    No, they don't. Most of the statistics show that many people are simply putting off marriage, not considering marriage completely pointless. While there are going to likely be more that never do marry, that doesn't really mean that it is because people are considering marriage to be something they wouldn't want, but rather there are many other factors involved. Same sex couples being allowed to marry is not in any way connected to other couples not wanting to get married.

    Record Share of Americans Have Never Married | Pew Research Center

    In fact, since homosexuals, those most likely to enter into same sex marriages, are not mentioned in that research, it actually means that the predictions are likely to be a little skewed, since a percentage of those people are now more likely to get married, to someone of the same sex.
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Sure I do.
    Then provide it. Provide the proof. It needs to be empirical evidence, not anecdotes, such as "I lived it", "I saw it", "just look at history". That's not proof, but subjective opinion of the situation.
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Being a good and effective parent has absolutely nothing to do with the specific genitalia one has between their legs.

    Therefore, it makes perfect sense that having the same genitalia or "opposing" genitalia would have no effect either.

    Having a good "set" of parents is highly beneficial for any child.
    Simply having one parent with a penis and one with a vagina in no way, shape, or form is a guarantee they'll be good parents or bad parents.

    If both have a penis, or both have a vagina there's still no guarantee they'll be good or bad parents either.

    Parenting is not defined by the junk you got between your legs.

    Everyone knows the world is chock-full of people who are not fit to be parents.

    Obsessing over what gender each parent is attracted sexually to just doesn't make sense.

    What's best for a child depends on a billion other more important things than a penis or a vagina.
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Good morning Captain.
    My "point" is only pointless to the one who disagrees. Even in your profession, not everyone is in agreement. That is why you find articles written by psychiatrists for and against same sex couples raising children. For and against different treatments for gender confusion. etc.

    Men and women are not only different physically, their minds work differently. But just as their physical bodies are designed to compliment one another in a relationship, so do their minds when working as a team. I call it the head and the heart. Too much of one or the other can result in bad consequences. It takes a balance of both. In all honesty, there are things my spouse contributed to the raising of our children that I lack simply because of my physical limits but most of all because the way I am wired. Even with two of me, there would still be that void and visa versa.
    Two things of note. Research disagrees with you. So much research has demonstrated that two same sex parents do as well as two opposite sex parents that major organizations such as the APA, the AMA, and WHO have accepted this as a given and stated that there is no good reason that gay couples should not be allowed to adopt. Secondly, the differences that you describe are more about the individuals rather than the sex of the individuals. Two parents who have different strengths tend to do better, then two parents who are too much alike.
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Two things of note. Research disagrees with you. So much research has demonstrated that two same sex parents do as well as two opposite sex parents that major organizations such as the APA, the AMA, and WHO have accepted this as a given and stated that there is no good reason that gay couples should not be allowed to adopt. Secondly, the differences that you describe are more about the individuals rather than the sex of the individuals. Two parents who have different strengths tend to do better, then two parents who are too much alike.
    Morning Captain.
    You keep mentioning ALL this research to support gays raising children but there is also ALL this research out there that says differently. Organizations like the APA and the AMA can be just as political as those in robes on the Supreme Court. I believe it was in the year 1974 maybe 73 the APA was under pressure to remove homosexuality from their list of disorders. So by a vote of 13 trustees, overnight they cured with a vote what they classified as a disorder for over a century and removed it from the list. Did those 13 trustees represent the opinions of every member of the APA? Absolutely not. Did those 5 justices who were politically appointed that took it upon themselves to redefine marriage for this country represent a large portion of citizens in this country? No they did not. It always seems to boil down to a small group of elitists calling the shots for everyone. Take global warming. You have an elite group of scientists telling us the sky is falling. If a scientist dissents they are mocked in hopes of others will not take them seriously. It is as if all things start and end in politics.

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Morning Captain.
    You keep mentioning ALL this research to support gays raising children but there is also ALL this research out there that says differently. Organizations like the APA and the AMA can be just as political as those in robes on the Supreme Court. I believe it was in the year 1974 maybe 73 the APA was under pressure to remove homosexuality from their list of disorders. So by a vote of 13 trustees, overnight they cured with a vote what they classified as a disorder for over a century and removed it from the list. Did those 13 trustees represent the opinions of every member of the APA? Absolutely not. Did those 5 justices who were politically appointed that took it upon themselves to redefine marriage for this country represent a large portion of citizens in this country? No they did not. It always seems to boil down to a small group of elitists calling the shots for everyone. Take global warming. You have an elite group of scientists telling us the sky is falling. If a scientist dissents they are mocked in hopes of others will not take them seriously. It is as if all things start and end in politics.
    Please provide this research that shows same sex parents aren't as good as opposite sex parents. (Just as a note, the NFSS/Regenerus study did not involve same sex parenting, but rather other person identified "gay" parents which were mostly single parents, were divorced in many cases, and their children identified them as gay or lesbian by simply having had a romantic encounter during their childhood with someone of the same sex (my mother could potentially fit that definition if one of us children had misinterpreted her relationship with her best friend), something no one legitimately uses to determine sexuality.)
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Yes.
    This concept of marriage has been twisted beyond recognition and it is time to end the government involvement in the bedroom. Churches or whatever can continue to marry people but there should be no government benefits involved. The value of marriage is simply that which the married couple/group place on it and the esteem in which they hold it.

    Government issued special benefits given for marriage have come a long way. Perhaps the government thought that it was good public policy to encourage family stability for the development of children. But that idea is outdated now and what is left is this silly, Biblical based, idea that sexual relationships are so important that they should be done only by 2 people in a long term committed relationship and that government should support this by giving special benefits.

    Keep government out of the bedroom and allow equal rights to asexuals, nonsexuals, people who encourage and support short-term non committed sexual relations, polygamists, polyandrists, etc.. This can be done by either eliminating all those special marriage rights or somehow granting equal rights to all those other people. Remember, we are approaching 50% of the adult population being unmarried, many for life. Where is their "equality"?

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    Yes.
    This concept of marriage has been twisted beyond recognition and it is time to end the government involvement in the bedroom. Churches or whatever can continue to marry people but there should be no government benefits involved. The value of marriage is simply that which the married couple/group place on it and the esteem in which they hold it.

    Government issued special benefits given for marriage have come a long way. Perhaps the government thought that it was good public policy to encourage family stability for the development of children. But that idea is outdated now and what is left is this silly, Biblical based, idea that sexual relationships are so important that they should be done only by 2 people in a long term committed relationship and that government should support this by giving special benefits.

    Keep government out of the bedroom and allow equal rights to asexuals, nonsexuals, people who encourage and support short-term non committed sexual relations, polygamists, polyandrists, etc.. This can be done by either eliminating all those special marriage rights or somehow granting equal rights to all those other people. Remember, we are approaching 50% of the adult population being unmarried, many for life. Where is their "equality"?
    Most of society views marriage as having a value, including societal value.

    You don't have to have sex to get married. Marriage is about establishing a legal kinship, not sex.

    Those that aren't married yet are free to get married if they want the benefits of marriage, of the kinship established by marriage. Just like if you want the benefits established by any other contract with another person.
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Morning Captain.
    You keep mentioning ALL this research to support gays raising children but there is also ALL this research out there that says differently. Organizations like the APA and the AMA can be just as political as those in robes on the Supreme Court. I believe it was in the year 1974 maybe 73 the APA was under pressure to remove homosexuality from their list of disorders. So by a vote of 13 trustees, overnight they cured with a vote what they classified as a disorder for over a century and removed it from the list. Did those 13 trustees represent the opinions of every member of the APA? Absolutely not. Did those 5 justices who were politically appointed that took it upon themselves to redefine marriage for this country represent a large portion of citizens in this country? No they did not. It always seems to boil down to a small group of elitists calling the shots for everyone. Take global warming. You have an elite group of scientists telling us the sky is falling. If a scientist dissents they are mocked in hopes of others will not take them seriously. It is as if all things start and end in politics.
    The topic of the thread is basically about YOUR marriage and whether or not anything has changed since SCOTUS allowed a subset of a very small percentage of the overall population of America to get married.

    Has YOUR marriage changed? If so, how? Better? Worse? YOUR marriage.

    Who makes better parents isn't the topic of THIS thread. We've all already agreed good parenting isn't determined by your genitalia or who you find sexually attractive.

    There's a crap-ton load of "straight" "parents" out there who have raped, beaten, starved, and murdered their own children, and/or the children of others.

    Being "straight" does not automatically make anyone a good/great/effective parent.

    Likewise, being "gay" does not automatically make someone a bad/poor/ineffective parent.

    So----can we get back to the topic of this thread?

    Has your marriage changed?
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