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  • is better thanks to SCOTUS ruling

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?
    Yes. My wife cooked curry pork for the first time on Sunday. I liked it. So my marriage was affected since I will ask her to cook it more often. My son turned 11 on Saturday so in our marriage we are now raising an 11 year old instead of a 10 year old. Love her more and more everyday, so in my marriage we are more in love since the ruling. Lets seeeee. Since the ruling we went and saw Jurassic World. I am sure to annoy her acting like a dinosaur with my son and she'll mock me for it for decades.

    All that happened since the ruling which in at least some minor way has changed my marriage.
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I have made my case for traditional marriage and the WP can try to argue that marriage isn't the reason that kids in two parent homes are better off, but that is rather absurd on the face of it. Being married is WHY the kids are most likely to have two parents--a mom and dad--in the home. Without the commitment, there is a far more likelihood both won't be in the home.

    And you further said that marriage is at an all time high. Well sorry, but the stats don't back you up on that either:
    Marriage Rate Declines To Historic Low, Study Finds

    The point being made that the less emphasis is put on the traditional marriage--the less it is held up as the cultural norm and benefit it has always been--the less likely people are to get married. And the more kids there will be who don't have the stability and benefits and positive role models of the traditional two-parent home. And I will continue to believe that is bad for kids whether those kids are straight or gay.
    You haven't shown anything.

    Also, I did not say that marriage was at "an all time high". I said that marriage was pretty frickin high, in the state of Mass. It was in comparison to other states, despite having had same sex marriage legal the longest. If traditional marriage were really that important, and same sex marriage was going to cause an issue with declining marriage rates, we wouldn't see some of the highest current marriage rates in the country in Massachusetts, where same sex marriage has been legal the longest.
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Just observing my own family members and my neighbors, those kids who are brought up in a one parent household who from time to time bring some lover into the home to play house for a little while seem to have one drama-o-rama after another when it comes to their children. Those who commit to marriage raising their children in a more secure/stable environment seem to fair much better. It certainly is better for society when they do.
    Which would be the same for same sex parents. They are raising children the same as opposite sex parents. Therefore, it is better for them to be able to marry each other legally, by your logic.
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Good one. Stable to me is a mother and a father. There's no way I could have contributed all that he did in raising our children.
    Which doesn't mean every couple is like you. There are plenty of women out there who can contribute anything you may believe comes from a father to their sons and daughters. There are also plenty of men out there who could contribute what you feel comes from a mother to their sons and daughters. There is nothing you can prove a child needs in their life that has to come specifically from a male or a female parent. Anything they actually need, can come from a parent of either gender, and some of what helps make them more rounded or have more knowledge or whatever you are going for can come from someone else who isn't actually a parent, as many opposite sex parents use outside help in raising their children, teaching their children.
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which would be the same for same sex parents. They are raising children the same as opposite sex parents. Therefore, it is better for them to be able to marry each other legally, by your logic.

    No...... by my logic that isn't the case. I personally believe to produce a well rounded child that will function well in society and have a better chance of experiencing success in life, it takes a mother and a father. There are some things women are very good at in nurturing a child. There are other things only a father can contribute. Two of the same gender are missing a key component that is needed for success in a child's healthy growth. Like I have stated before, there is no way I could have done it alone with the success we have seen in our own children which was a full time job for both of us. You could double the number of "me" and there would still be the absence of the attributes only a good father can contribute. It takes a male and a female to create a child. It takes a mother and a father to raise them successfully.

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    No...... by my logic that isn't the case. I personally believe to produce a well rounded child that will function well in society and have a better chance of experiencing success in life, it takes a mother and a father. There are some things women are very good at in nurturing a child. There are other things only a father can contribute. Two of the same gender are missing a key component that is needed for success in a child's healthy growth. Like I have stated before, there is no way I could have done it alone with the success we have seen in our own children which was a full time job for both of us. You could double the number of "me" and there would still be the absence of the attributes only a good father can contribute. It takes a male and a female to create a child. It takes a mother and a father to raise them successfully.
    Nope. Your logic was just that marriage provides stability for children.

    Prove that there are some things that women, all women, not just some or even most, are good at or do better always than men and that there are some things all men do better always than any woman. Keep in mind, it has to be something crucial, absolutely necessary to raising a child successfully, not just "a woman can't teach a boy to pee standing up".

    Again, for like the millionth time, there is a huge difference between raising children alone, and raising children with a person of the same sex as their other parent. Having two parents is going to provide a higher potential for success due to having more potential time and resources, or at least ability to provide resources for the child due to the nature of having two people vice just one.

    Prove it takes a mother and a father to raise children "successfully". There is tons of evidence to refute this. Millions of successful adults today have been raised by same sex couples. In fact, I'm willing to bet you couldn't pick them out of a crowd. That is how successful they are, they can't be recognized as having actually been raised by same sex couples rather than opposite sex couples.
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Nope. Your logic was just that marriage provides stability for children.

    Prove that there are some things that women, all women, not just some or even most, are good at or do better always than men and that there are some things all men do better always than any woman. Keep in mind, it has to be something crucial, absolutely necessary to raising a child successfully, not just "a woman can't teach a boy to pee standing up".

    Again, for like the millionth time, there is a huge difference between raising children alone, and raising children with a person of the same sex as their other parent. Having two parents is going to provide a higher potential for success due to having more potential time and resources, or at least ability to provide resources for the child due to the nature of having two people vice just one.

    Prove it takes a mother and a father to raise children "successfully". There is tons of evidence to refute this. Millions of successful adults today have been raised by same sex couples. In fact, I'm willing to bet you couldn't pick them out of a crowd. That is how successful they are, they can't be recognized as having actually been raised by same sex couples rather than opposite sex couples.
    Millions of gay parents successful in raising kids? Really. How can that be when sodomy laws were still on the books as late as 2013 in some states. Gay marriage and gay adoption is relatively a new "thing". How on earth could there be so many indepth studies on kids being brought up by gay parents in such a short period of time in this country? For example here in Ohio gay marriage was banned until last Friday. In my state, it was unlikely a gay parent would receive custody of children in a divorce. And that was the case in many states where the people voted against it before the federal courts stripped their votes from them. It was unlikely in all those states where their states rights were trampled by activist judges because the ACLU who are pros at judge shopping overturned the votes of many states and now the Supremes have finished off the 14-15 states in a vote 5-4.

    Maybe it would be best to listen to accounts of children who are now adults raised by gay parents. Canada made same sex marriage and adoption to same sex couples law well over a decade ago. Maybe you would be interested in a book written by now an adult child that was raised by a gay parent and partner to get a little perspective.

    Dawn Stefanowicz is an internationally recognized speaker and author. She is a member of the Testimonial Committee of the International Children’s Rights Institute. Her book, Out From Under: The Impact of Homosexual Parenting, is available at Dawn Stefanowicz - Out From Under. Dawn, a full-time licensed accountant, is married and has two teenaged children. She writes.....

    I am one of six adult children of gay parents who recently filed amicus briefs with the US Supreme Court, asking the Court to respect the authority of citizens to keep the original definition of marriage: a union between one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others, so that children may know and may be raised by their biological parents. I also live in Canada, where same-sex marriage was federally mandated in 2005.

    I am the daughter of a gay father who died of AIDS. I described my experiences in my book: Out From Under: The Impact of Homosexual Parenting. Over fifty adult children who were raised by LGBT parents have communicated with me and share my concerns about same-sex marriage and parenting. Many of us struggle with our own sexuality and sense of gender because of the influences in our household environments growing up.

    We have great compassion for people who struggle with their sexuality and gender identity—not animosity. And we love our parents. Yet, when we go public with our stories, we often face ostracism, silencing, and threats.

    I want to warn America to expect severe erosion of First Amendment freedoms if the US Supreme Court mandates same-sex marriage. The consequences have played out in Canada for ten years now, and they are truly Orwellian in nature and scope.
    http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/04/14899/

    I personally know a firefighter who was married for ten years and he and his wife produced two lovely girls. The wife decided she was a lesbian. They divorced. The court gave the father custody. The mother went to live with her lover. The father and two daughters went for indepth counseling. A couple of years ago he met a wonderful woman and remarried. The girls call her mom. They love their biological mother. They stay I touch. They are teens now and have the right to go and live with the other parent but there is no desire to. They like it right where they are.

    You and I will never agree on this issue. Nuff said.

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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Now I'm going to get three Japanese, one or two Filipino and maybe an Indonesian wives.
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    Re: Has your marriage changed since SCOTUS ruling?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Millions of gay parents successful in raising kids? Really. How can that be when sodomy laws were still on the books as late as 2013 in some states. Gay marriage and gay adoption is relatively a new "thing". How on earth could there be so many indepth studies on kids being brought up by gay parents in such a short period of time in this country? For example here in Ohio gay marriage was banned until last Friday. In my state, it was unlikely a gay parent would receive custody of children in a divorce. And that was the case in many states where the people voted against it before the federal courts stripped their votes from them. It was unlikely in all those states where their states rights were trampled by activist judges because the ACLU who are pros at judge shopping overturned the votes of many states and now the Supremes have finished off the 14-15 states in a vote 5-4.

    Maybe it would be best to listen to accounts of children who are now adults raised by gay parents. Canada made same sex marriage and adoption to same sex couples law well over a decade ago. Maybe you would be interested in a book written by now an adult child that was raised by a gay parent and partner to get a little perspective.

    Dawn Stefanowicz is an internationally recognized speaker and author. She is a member of the Testimonial Committee of the International Children’s Rights Institute. Her book, Out From Under: The Impact of Homosexual Parenting, is available at Dawn Stefanowicz - Out From Under. Dawn, a full-time licensed accountant, is married and has two teenaged children. She writes.....


    http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/04/14899/

    I personally know a firefighter who was married for ten years and he and his wife produced two lovely girls. The wife decided she was a lesbian. They divorced. The court gave the father custody. The mother went to live with her lover. The father and two daughters went for indepth counseling. A couple of years ago he met a wonderful woman and remarried. The girls call her mom. They love their biological mother. They stay I touch. They are teens now and have the right to go and live with the other parent but there is no desire to. They like it right where they are.

    You and I will never agree on this issue. Nuff said.
    First of all, sodomy laws on the books mean nothing if they cannot be legally enforced. There were states with laws against interracial marriage on the books up til 2000. And some states still have laws keeping segregation on the books. Plus, several states repealed those sodomy laws long before the Lawrence decision.

    Second, my contention was that millions of children have been raised by same sex parents.

    How Many Children Have Gay Parents in the US?

    That is just US couples. Doesn't include those raised in other countries either. They aren't a majority by any means, but they do exist in much larger numbers than you seem to be aware of. And there were children being raised by same sex couples, homosexuals when I was a child. (Where the hell do you think the idea for "The Bird Cage" came from?)

    'Gayby boom': Children of gay couples speak out - CNN.com

    "Levey is part of the "gayby boom" generation. The 29-year-old management consultant is the son of a lesbian couple who chose to have a child through artificial insemination. He's their only child."

    The guy above is my age.

    "Their numbers are increasing as well, according to COLAGE (Children of Lesbians and Gays Everywhere). At least 10 million people have one or more lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender parent."
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