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    traditional marriage

    This is about a consenting man and a consenting woman who aren't related and are of sound mind and body. Is it a Constitutional right?

    This is not about a church wedding or a private wedding. This is about government marriage.

    I apologize in advance if I haven't made this clear enough.
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    Re: traditional marriage

    Anybody who wishes to get a traditional wedding should be allowed to do so, yes.

    According to the most basic tenet of libertarianism, however, one person's right to swing their fist ends at another person's nose, so these poeple do not have the right to dictate to everybody else.

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    Re: traditional marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    This is about a consenting man and a consenting woman who aren't related and are of sound mind and body. Is it a Constitutional right?

    This is not about a church wedding or a private wedding. This is about government marriage.

    I apologize in advance if I haven't made this clear enough.
    As presently interpreted the government seems to have to marry all or none. None would be better and not force the government to run rough shod over citizens' fundamental rights, which the USSC has now forced.

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    Re: traditional marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    This is about a consenting man and a consenting woman who aren't related and are of sound mind and body. Is it a Constitutional right?

    This is not about a church wedding or a private wedding. This is about government marriage.

    I apologize in advance if I haven't made this clear enough.
    The very idea than a government can confer anything other than a contractual obligation regarding property rights on a couple is....typical. Frankly, I think it has a lot to do with why marriage is taken so lightly these days.

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    Re: traditional marriage

    The Supreme Court has stated that Marriage is a constitutional right, thus its a constitutional right. That is how our system of government works in this country.
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    Re: traditional marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    The very idea than a government can confer anything other than a contractual obligation regarding property rights on a couple is....typical. Frankly, I think it has a lot to do with why marriage is taken so lightly these days.
    It is taken more lightly than it used to because of no fault divorces, not because the government recognizes a marriage.
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    Re: traditional marriage

    Actually, I know not .. The Constitution does not seem to "go into" social things such as marriages ... Why should it, its an ancient scrap of paper..
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    Re: traditional marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    As presently interpreted the government seems to have to marry all or none. None would be better and not force the government to run rough shod over citizens' fundamental rights, which the USSC has now forced.
    Who is the Supreme Court forcing to get married? Doh!
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    Re: traditional marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The Supreme Court has stated that Marriage is a constitutional right, thus its a constitutional right. That is how our system of government works in this country.
    I'm not a lawyer, so I'm hypothesizing here, but I think you're on the right-track -

    But, I'm not sure if the Court defined marriage as a right, or the struck down gender discrimination in the act of marriage.

    The difference would be: the former would force marriage as a right, while the latter would force non-discrimination in cases where marriage chose to occur.

    There's a difference.
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    Re: traditional marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    This is about a consenting man and a consenting woman who aren't related and are of sound mind and body. Is it a Constitutional right?

    This is not about a church wedding or a private wedding. This is about government marriage.

    I apologize in advance if I haven't made this clear enough.
    I really hate to go the "it doesn't matter" route, but fourteen individual rulings determining that marriage is a right renders the question moot.

    Video: 14 Supreme Court Rulings on Marriage | American Foundation for Equal Rights

    Believe me, I hate the holy hell out of the Citizens United and Eminent Domain rulings, but if future Supreme Courts ruled thirteen more times that they're constitutional, eventually you have to ask if maybe they know something you don't.

    One more thing: as of yesterday's ruling, there is no "traditional marriage," "same sex marriage" or "interracial marriage." It's now just marriage.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 06-27-15 at 12:41 PM.

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