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Thread: the right to marry whoever

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    the right to marry whoever

    Do consenting adults have a Constitutional right to marry any other consenting adult? Which of these are Constitutional rights?
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Please be prepared to explain your answer.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Neither.

    A "Constitutional Right" indicates a right granted by the Constitution which would make it a "Civil Right". Marriage (an extension of the right to free association) is a natural right and should neither be infringed nor endorsed by the government.

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    I don't care what any consenting adult does with another consenting adult, or adults. It's not my business to peek into their marriage, or their bedroom, and I'd expect the same courtesy from them.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Do consenting adults have a Constitutional right to marry any other consenting adult? Which of these are Constitutional rights?
    The correct answer is neither. Marriage as an institution is a right. To deny a right, states have to have a good reason, and SCOTUS found they did not in the case of SSM. I am not familiar enough with polygamy to really comment on whether the states have a good reason to deny it.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I don't care what any consenting adult does with another consenting adult, or adults. It's not my business to peek into their marriage, or their bedroom, and I'd expect the same courtesy from them.
    I assume that ANY CONSENTING ADULTS also include brother and sister, mother and son, father and daughter - as long as they are consenting adults, right?
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Why only two? That seems so arbitrary.

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I don't care what any consenting adult does with another consenting adult, or adults. It's not my business to peek into their marriage, or their bedroom, and I'd expect the same courtesy from them.
    You are missing the core issue.

    Sure, consenting adults can do whatever they want behind closed doors. Marriage, however, as a societal definition. No state (society) is obligated to affirm that relationship "X" constitutes a marriage. "X" can be gay marriage, polygamy, or even heterosexual marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The correct answer is neither. Marriage as an institution is a right. .
    No, marriage is a courtesy that society as a whole uses to define some relationships. Affirmation by a society that particular relationship (gay, hetersosexual, polygamous, "poly amourous") meets the societal definition of "marriage" is not a right.

    Rather, it is just another example of people thinking that:
    - I like social policy "X"
    -Ergo, people have a right to the benefits of social policy "X".
    Last edited by Cryptic; 06-26-15 at 06:02 PM.

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by LadyMoonlight View Post
    I assume that ANY CONSENTING ADULTS also include brother and sister, mother and son, father and daughter - as long as they are consenting adults, right?
    As long as they are legal and breaking no laws, it's none of my business what anybody does, any more than it is YOUR business. You wouldn't want people tell you who you could marry, would you?

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    You are missing the core issue.

    Sure, consenting adults can do whatever they want behind closed doors. Marriage, however, as a societal definition. No state (society) is obligated to affirm that relationship "X" constitutes a marriage. "X" can be gay marriage, polygamy, or even heterosexual marriage.
    Well they are obligated now.
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