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Thread: the right to marry whoever

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    can you actually tell us a valid reason for a state to ban gay marriage

    why a pair of consenting adults that features one dying of say ALS cannot have the other member of the relationship treated the same by probate courts etc?

    or if a lesbian couple has children through artificial insemination and the mother becomes incompetent, disabled or dies, her spouse doesn't have the same parental rights that I would have if my wife suffered the same fate?
    Tell "us"? I'm not an opponent of gay marriage, turtle. I have no idea what that's supposed to mean, or who "us" is. Nor do I have any idea what any of your post meant for that matter, as it had zero to do with what I posted.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Well, congratulations on being on the wrong side of history.

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    Seventy-three percent of Millennials and climbing support gay marriage rights.

    Marriage discrimination is done. It will go the way of "whites only" water fountains, legal exemptions for marital rape, and slavery: To the garbage heap of history where it belongs.

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Who cares about the constitution? Why would I desire to limit myself to an old piece of paper? Sure, it might guide me in very helpful ways, but the constitution did not float down from heaven or anything.

    So, with that said, the phrase "homosexual marriage" is an oxymoron. Marriage is an intimate union between two people. There is no potential for that kind of union between same sex couples. It's literally impossible.

    Yet I empathize with homosexual couples that get caught in inheritance wars, don't get joint income tax, etc. It's not as if heterosexual couples are better than anyone else. There is no reason to benefit some couples and not others. Heterosexual couples are not better than homosexual couples. But one can have a real union and the other can't.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

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    Hold on now... are they female and hot?
    LOL sure. Why not?
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Seventy-three percent of Millennials and climbing support gay marriage rights.

    Marriage discrimination is done. It will go the way of "whites only" water fountains, legal exemptions for marital rape, and slavery: To the garbage heap of history where it belongs.

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    The nature of polygamous relationships suggest that many times, they are not consensual for everyone involved.
    Incorrect, the nature of polygamous relationships suggest no such thing. The nature of certain religious beliefs that also believe in polygyny suggest not everyone is consenting, or at least doing so under duress. Now the face of polygamy, as portrayed by the media, might make the suggestion, but that is due to bias and limited coverage.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Incest has deleterious impact on potential offspring. Two gays marrying does not. hence the difference
    Also incorrect, or at best partially correct. Your argument fails when looking at same sex incest couplings as well as when one or both of the pair are sterile. Additionally, the risk of a first generation consanguineous pairing is not much higher than a standard couple, and lower than a couple who both have a genetic history of a given condition. Finally, incest laws do not limit themselves to blood relations. To use my usual Brady Bunch example, there would have been no issues with Greg and Marcia marrying or having sex. Yet many states have laws that would prevent such a pairing, even if they were already adults when their parents married.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    There's nothing inherently wrong with polygamy, as long as it's consensual. The nature of polygamous relationships suggest that many times, they are not consensual for everyone involved. Regardless, it doesn't matter because no one is pushing for polygamous unions and they only reason we're discussing this at all is because the right-wing likes to point at gay marriage as a slippery slope towards polygamy as a scare tactic.
    Polyamorous relationships, at least in modern times, are no less likely to be consensual. Maybe even the opposite- people who are in them tend to go to great lengths to seek them out. I don't see any problem with the law recognizing polyamorous relationships. Who does it hurt? If consenting adults make a choice about their personal lives that doesn't hurt anybody else, I don't really see what business anybody has outlawing it.

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Also incorrect, or at best partially correct. Your argument fails when looking at same sex incest couplings as well as when one or both of the pair are sterile. Additionally, the risk of a first generation consanguineous pairing is not much higher than a standard couple, and lower than a couple who both have a genetic history of a given condition. Finally, incest laws do not limit themselves to blood relations. To use my usual Brady Bunch example, there would have been no issues with Greg and Marcia marrying or having sex. Yet many states have laws that would prevent such a pairing, even if they were already adults when their parents married.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by Radical View Post
    So, with that said, the phrase "homosexual marriage" is an oxymoron. Marriage is an intimate union between two people. There is no potential for that kind of union between same sex couples. It's literally impossible.
    You must have a very strange definition of "intimate union", for it not to apply to same sex couples. Please do enlighten the rest of us as to your unique take on this phrase.
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