View Poll Results: which are Constitutional rights?

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  • polygamy

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  • both

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  • neither

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Thread: the right to marry whoever

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
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    I'm not sure where you get that from. I saw a post on the concept earlier but the Obergefell decision specifically cited the 14the Amendment "Due Process" clause, not the 9th.

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    There's nothing inherently wrong with polygamy, as long as it's consensual. The nature of polygamous relationships suggest that many times, they are not consensual for everyone involved. Regardless, it doesn't matter because no one is pushing for polygamous unions and they only reason we're discussing this at all is because the right-wing likes to point at gay marriage as a slippery slope towards polygamy as a scare tactic.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Both are constitutional rights.

    Free US adult men and women are suppose to be allowed to have their marriages legally recognized. It is not supposed to be up to the government who and why consenting US adults marry.

    Eventually polygamy will be legal. I'm not a betting man but I'd say polygamy is legal in 20-30 years.

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I don't care what any consenting adult does with another consenting adult, or adults. It's not my business to peek into their marriage, or their bedroom, and I'd expect the same courtesy from them.
    Hold on now... are they female and hot?
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The correct answer is neither. Marriage as an institution is a right. To deny a right, states have to have a good reason, and SCOTUS found they did not in the case of SSM. I am not familiar enough with polygamy to really comment on whether the states have a good reason to deny it.
    I think this is a sound argument. I cannot think of a rational argument to deny SSM.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by LadyMoonlight View Post
    I assume that ANY CONSENTING ADULTS also include brother and sister, mother and son, father and daughter - as long as they are consenting adults, right?
    Incest has deleterious impact on potential offspring. Two gays marrying does not. hence the difference
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    I'm okay with legalizing polygamy. I personally have no interest, but who am I to say you can only have one spouse?
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm okay with legalizing polygamy. I personally have no interest, but who am I to say you can only have one spouse?
    As long as they're all consenting adults, I agree.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Incest has deleterious impact on potential offspring. Two gays marrying does not. hence the difference
    True, but they are still consenting adults. Did they only legalize gay marriage because of the offspring?

    Limiting marriage because of the potential of the health of the offspring is a slipper slope. What's to stop them from prohibiting the marriage of a 45 year old woman who may get pregnant and deliver a Down's baby?
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    True, but they are still consenting adults. Did they only legalize gay marriage because of the offspring?

    Limiting marriage because of the potential of the health of the offspring is a slipper slope. What's to stop them from prohibiting the marriage of a 45 year old woman who may get pregnant and deliver a Down's baby?
    can you actually tell us a valid reason for a state to ban gay marriage

    why a pair of consenting adults that features one dying of say ALS cannot have the other member of the relationship treated the same by probate courts etc?

    or if a lesbian couple has children through artificial insemination and the mother becomes incompetent, disabled or dies, her spouse doesn't have the same parental rights that I would have if my wife suffered the same fate?
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