View Poll Results: which are Constitutional rights?

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    It is called "cheating" or "marital infidelity" because we have all been schooled with the same myth that marriage is made for two. The myth is IMO humans are not monogamous. If this were true the occurrences of infidelity would be far lower. We were taught marriage was for two 1 man and 1 woman we find this is wrong. It can be 2 women or 2 men. The mythology of marriage is already deflated. The next myth is the number of participants. Why only two? Why not five. The number is arbitrary. All people do not marry. All people do not enter into same sex marriages. All people would not enter into polygamous relationships or marriages. These are options which certainly can fit the dynamic of marriage. As we grow and break through the myths we have been taught we can and will expand. If all of the participants are of the age of consent what difference does the number make. Marriages are already at around the 50% divorce rate. I have a relationship of more than women this works fine for all of us. So who is to say what works and what doesn't. It is up to the individual what they can handle. If the person is jealous and sees marriage as the ownership relationship it can be then polygamy would not work. But if marriage is freeing as it should be polygamy will work just fine.
    It's called cheating because the individual is breaching the trust of the person they are committed to. You can form an open realtionship if you want and in those cases it's different, but when you commit to someone and sleep with someone else it's cheating. Relationships can be all sorts of things and one of those is committing and sticking to one person.

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's called cheating because the individual is breaching the trust of the person they are committed to. You can form an open realtionship if you want and in those cases it's different, but when you commit to someone and sleep with someone else it's cheating. Relationships can be all sorts of things and one of those is committing and sticking to one person.
    Yes this is true if one limits their view on marriage. I did cover this by mentioning all the different ways marriage can be. It is cheating because we have been taught or they they tried to brainwash us into believing we can only love one other person at a time. But according to the phrase what what people think you are correct. The problem is, it limits the view of humans and love. You call it breaching a trust. I call it limiting humanity and the ownership clause only creates sneaking and cheating.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Yes this is true if one limits their view on marriage. I did cover this by mentioning all the different ways marriage can be. It is cheating because we have been taught or they they tried to brainwash us into believing we can only love one other person at a time. But according to the phrase what what people think you are correct. The problem is, it limits the view of humans and love. You call it breaching a trust. I call it limiting humanity and the ownership clause only creates sneaking and cheating.
    Why can't it simply be a preference? Why does it have to be denigrated to "brainwashing"?

    It should be noted that even in open and/or poly relationships, issues resulting from jealousy are not uncommon.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    I voted neither. For me as a Christian marriage is a sacrament that can only be performed by the church. My government has no say in my religious beliefs and sacraments. The government can no more marry me than baptize me. They can pass laws and through physical force take away and restrict my rights but they do not grant them. If you have to get permission from someone it is not a right but a privilege granted by whoever owns you.

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by PIPEWRENCH View Post
    I voted neither. For me as a Christian marriage is a sacrament that can only be performed by the church. My government has no say in my religious beliefs and sacraments. The government can no more marry me than baptize me. They can pass laws and through physical force take away and restrict my rights but they do not grant them. If you have to get permission from someone it is not a right but a privilege granted by whoever owns you.
    The word marriage has multiple meanings that even extend into non-living objects. For example an invention that is both visually pleasing and highly functional might be described as the marriage of art and science. Ultimately marriage is the joining of two or more items, be they people or objects. Context plays an important role in this use. The term as used by the government has nothing to do with therm as use by various religions, which in and of themselves vary from religion to religion. One can be married before their deity and not recognized by the state. Likewise, one can obtain the legal status of marriage from the state and not be recognized by the church/religion/deity. So at the basic level, yes the government can marry you, and hell even baptize you, but that doesn't make what the state does the religious equivalent. The problems comes when religious people want to try to make the religious the same as the secular.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Yes this is true if one limits their view on marriage. I did cover this by mentioning all the different ways marriage can be. It is cheating because we have been taught or they they tried to brainwash us into believing we can only love one other person at a time. But according to the phrase what what people think you are correct. The problem is, it limits the view of humans and love. You call it breaching a trust. I call it limiting humanity and the ownership clause only creates sneaking and cheating.
    Limiting yourself to one person is kind of one of the whole points to the relationship configuration. It might not be a natural course of action, but it establishes stability and helps avoid potential problems that come about from more open approaches.

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Yes this is true if one limits their view on marriage. I did cover this by mentioning all the different ways marriage can be. It is cheating because we have been taught or they they tried to brainwash us into believing we can only love one other person at a time. But according to the phrase what what people think you are correct. The problem is, it limits the view of humans and love. You call it breaching a trust. I call it limiting humanity and the ownership clause only creates sneaking and cheating.
    I'm going to have to go with Herin on this one. It's straight cheating if they are doing behind another's back. Now I will agree with you that simply being married to one person and having a relationship with another is not automatically cheating and that there has been much "brainwashing" to tell us otherwise. But it is a breach of trust if you are not making your partner(s) aware of those you see outside of them.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Limiting yourself to one person is kind of one of the whole points to the relationship configuration. It might not be a natural course of action, but it establishes stability and helps avoid potential problems that come about from more open approaches.
    Relationships are not necessarily limited to two individuals, nor are they limited to romantic interest. You have a working relationship with all your coworkers, do you not? Sure you could view it as a group of individual relationship, but it is also legitimate to view it as a group relationship. Such also works for romantic relationships.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by Rentoc View Post
    We used to always consider marriage the union of 1 man and 1 woman. Now it's 1 whatever and 1 whatever. Why can't it now be 1 or more whatever and 1 or more whatever. If it is peoples right to "marry" whomever they wish, why can't the whomever be multiple?
    That is historically incorrect. Through the out time there have always been same sex marriages and polygamy. Not in all cases has a governing body recognized them, but hey even the US didn't recognize the marriages of the slaves they brought over from Africa. Marriage has taken on a variety of forms throughout human history and we had polygamy here in the U.S. Still do in fact. For that matter SSM has always been with us. Simply because the participants had to keep it hidden doesn't mean they were not married.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Why can't it simply be a preference? Why does it have to be denigrated to "brainwashing"?

    It should be noted that even in open and/or poly relationships, issues resulting from jealousy are not uncommon.
    The teaching about marriage had been known one woman one man. This is the way it was taught and there is no denying this. There were no options until we exposed the fallacy of the teaching. There are other options. In a sense it is brainwashing and it certainly has to do with personal choice, with the exception of the many who lived in sham marriages to hide the fact they did not agree with the status quo. Those who falsely submitted to simulated heterosexual relationships when they would have loved to be in a same sex marriage. It was not their choice. It was the teaching not the personal choice. Call the teaching what you will but in many cases it was not choice is was what it was.
    I did not say that jealousy doesn't exist in poly relationships. This is why poly is not for everyone, just as same sex and hetero marriage is not for everyone.
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