View Poll Results: which are Constitutional rights?

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You can say it was about reproduction all that you want. Doesn't mean that it is true. But hey, I'll play for awhile. Prove with a valid historical source that marriage between one man and one woman has the main role of reproduction. Good luck on that. You're going to need it.

    Edit: BTW how is SSM making a mockery of marriage? If anything wanting it as bad as they did shows that it was worth it to them to fight for it. Which means they hold it in high esteem. Perhaps more since they actually did have to fight for it and it wasn't just handed to them.
    Odd that you don't look at the sociology of things, just because they are popular. But that is the way lots of folks think about politics and the very reason that so much is messed up. It really is quite simple. If you don't understand the structure of the problem, the effect is poorly understood.

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Odd that you don't look at the sociology of things, just because they are popular. But that is the way lots of folks think about politics and the very reason that so much is messed up. It really is quite simple. If you don't understand the structure of the problem, the effect is poorly understood.
    Then enlighten me if you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Then enlighten me if you can.
    Ah, come on. That is like asking an economist to enlighten you as to how economics works. You do realize that you would have to be more interested than your seem to be. Otherwise you would have already looked into it, I would have thought.

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Ah, come on. That is like asking an economist to enlighten you as to how economics works. You do realize that you would have to be more interested than your seem to be. Otherwise you would have already looked into it, I would have thought.
    Who says I haven't? You see sociology requires that one look at multiple viewpoints in order to see how one thing may affect another in order to see how that might affect another and then combine it all in order to see a bigger picture, as such I'm asking for your view point. So please, enlighten me.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Neither.

    A "Constitutional Right" indicates a right granted by the Constitution which would make it a "Civil Right". Marriage (an extension of the right to free association) is a natural right and should neither be infringed nor endorsed by the government.
    And governments, for the past millennia have interfered and infringed .. For the past 1.999 millennia, I have thought this to be correct. The change reflects maturity - growing up, if you will ..many have yet to do this ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Who says I haven't? You see sociology requires that one look at multiple viewpoints in order to see how one thing may affect another in order to see how that might affect another and then combine it all in order to see a bigger picture, as such I'm asking for your view point. So please, enlighten me.
    Okay. Then I will write something, when I have a keyboard.

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    See my response to maquiscat. If a polygamous union is fully consensual, I don't have a problem with legal recognition of it, but is there even a legitimate movement pushing for such a thing?
    Just as an aside, the more accurate term is "polyamorous" unless you you mean to refer only to situations where there is one guy and many women. "Polyamorous" includes polygamous, but also polyandrous (one woman, multiple men) and whatever other combinations. Presumably any change in the law would apply to all polyamorous relationships, not just polygamous ones.

    Polyamorous relationships are certainly less common than same sex relationships, so the pressure to recognize them is proportionally less, but certainly people in those relationships are just as passionate about getting the right to marry. I think most liberals and libertarians who have spent much time thinking it through are supportive of giving them that right.

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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    I voted for both but I should've voted for neither. Even if the correct answer is neither, that doesn't necessarily make Friday's SCOTUS ruling wrong. Some people say that traditional marriage laws violate the Equal Protection Clause. I disagree, even though I support SSM.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Okay. Then I will write something, when I have a keyboard.
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    Re: the right to marry whoever

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Marriage by itself means nothing and does nothing for anyone. Sex exists for procreation, but is many times done for pleasure. The pleasure exists so people actually involve themselves in the activity. If it didn't have any aspect about that was pleasurable then more than likely there wouldn't be enough children to maintain the species.
    Somehow I don't think the animals are worry about pleasure, especially those that don't use intercourse for procreation. Many things about our bodies are multi purpose. Our mouths are used for both talking and eating and even breathing at times, among other uses. Likewise, sex, a function of our bodies, can be used for both procreation and pleasure. Both can happen at the same time or separately. There are homosexual individuals who engage in physical intercourse purely for the purpose of procreation, and receive no pleasure from the act. Procreation can only be done with certain components, and quite frankly, intercourse is no longer a required component. Sex for pleasure can be accomplished with any number of of bodily components, in a variety of combinations.
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