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    Should a state be able to charge a tax on exports to another state?

    Let's assume, for kicks and giggles, that Texas decided to tax its exports to the other 49 states of fossil fuels, farm products, building materials (most cement is made in Texas), and mining output.

    Should that be allowed, or would the Federal Government have a case to step in and try to force Texas to share its wealth with the peasant states?


    I think that by taxing our oil exports (remember that even imported oil is regularly refined or at least piped through Texas) and other products could really pump some money in to the state. No reason we should be giving away the fruits of Exxon's labor, for example, for free to Californians.

    But what say you?

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    Re: Should a state be able to charge a tax on exports to another state?

    If the people of Texas want to do that then sure. Cities should be able to do as well. But then I believe the more local the government the more weight it should carry. Pretty much the opposite of what we have now so I am odd.

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    Re: Should a state be able to charge a tax on exports to another state?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Let's assume, for kicks and giggles, that Texas decided to tax its exports to the other 49 states of fossil fuels, farm products, building materials (most cement is made in Texas), and mining output.

    Should that be allowed, or would the Federal Government have a case to step in and try to force Texas to share its wealth with the peasant states?


    I think that by taxing our oil exports (remember that even imported oil is regularly refined or at least piped through Texas) and other products could really pump some money in to the state. No reason we should be giving away the fruits of Exxon's labor, for example, for free to Californians.

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    No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.

    ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 5

    The Export Taxation Clause was one of the many accommodations that the Framers made to cement unity among the various sections of the union. Many of the Southern delegates at the Constitutional Convention regarded the clause as a prerequisite to gaining their approval of the Constitution. As the primary exporter of goods in the late eighteenth century, the South would have borne a disproportionate burden from export taxes. In addition to their disproportionate burden argument, George Mason voiced the South's fear that a tax on exports would create a mechanism through which the more numerous Northern states could overwhelm the Southern states' economies. They also worried that export taxes could be used indirectly to attack slavery. They were joined by Northerners such as Oliver Ellsworth, who declared that export taxes would stifle industry.

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    Re: Should a state be able to charge a tax on exports to another state?

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.

    ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 5

    The Export Taxation Clause was one of the many accommodations that the Framers made to cement unity among the various sections of the union. Many of the Southern delegates at the Constitutional Convention regarded the clause as a prerequisite to gaining their approval of the Constitution. As the primary exporter of goods in the late eighteenth century, the South would have borne a disproportionate burden from export taxes. In addition to their disproportionate burden argument, George Mason voiced the South's fear that a tax on exports would create a mechanism through which the more numerous Northern states could overwhelm the Southern states' economies. They also worried that export taxes could be used indirectly to attack slavery. They were joined by Northerners such as Oliver Ellsworth, who declared that export taxes would stifle industry.

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    Carefully note the use of the conditional verb "should" in the question posed.

    I didn't ask if Texas IS able to charge export taxes, I asked whether it SHOULD be able to charge export taxes.

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    Re: Should a state be able to charge a tax on exports to another state?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Carefully note the use of the conditional verb "should" in the question posed.

    I didn't ask if Texas IS able to charge export taxes, I asked whether it SHOULD be able to charge export taxes.
    Your answer lies in the article cited. No, they shouldn't. Very sensible, timeless, and necessary reasons.
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    Re: Should a state be able to charge a tax on exports to another state?

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.

    ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 5

    The Export Taxation Clause was one of the many accommodations that the Framers made to cement unity among the various sections of the union. Many of the Southern delegates at the Constitutional Convention regarded the clause as a prerequisite to gaining their approval of the Constitution. As the primary exporter of goods in the late eighteenth century, the South would have borne a disproportionate burden from export taxes. In addition to their disproportionate burden argument, George Mason voiced the South's fear that a tax on exports would create a mechanism through which the more numerous Northern states could overwhelm the Southern states' economies. They also worried that export taxes could be used indirectly to attack slavery. They were joined by Northerners such as Oliver Ellsworth, who declared that export taxes would stifle industry.

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    In the above they are concerned that they will be taxed disproportionately by an export tax for what they are exporting.
    A federal proscription, not state.

    Which would not be the same as an export tax charged by them to another state.

    Is there another proscription that applies to the States?
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    Re: Should a state be able to charge a tax on exports to another state?

    No, that was the original intent of the commerce clause...

    As a conservative I should think you would understand that - never met a liberal who understood anything about the Constitution though, and since they dominate our country... anything goes.

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    Re: Should a state be able to charge a tax on exports to another state?

    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    No, that was the original intent of the commerce clause...

    As a conservative I should think you would understand that - never met a liberal who understood anything about the Constitution though, and since they dominate our country... anything goes.
    exactly, the real purpose of the commerce clause was to prevent different states from say slapping import tariffs on goods coming into the port of NYC but destined for Ohio or Pennsylvania or say Ohio levying tariffs on Pittsburgh coal destined to St Louis and traveling on the Ohio river past Cincinnati
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    Re: Should a state be able to charge a tax on exports to another state?

    peasant states?

    I thought Texas was the one that was just crying to the feds for some disaster relief

    Hey Texas! Hurry up and secede so that you can deal with the floods yourself and spiral down into social, economic, and political disarray! It'll sure be a good laugh for me
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    Re: Should a state be able to charge a tax on exports to another state?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Carefully note the use of the conditional verb "should" in the question posed.

    I didn't ask if Texas IS able to charge export taxes, I asked whether it SHOULD be able to charge export taxes.
    People still don't seem to get that distinction. Something is LEGAL because it is in the Constitution. But being in the Constitution doesn't necessarily make it JUST.

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