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Political Correctness

Is Political Correctness Real

  • Yes

    Votes: 82 82.8%
  • No

    Votes: 8 8.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 9 9.1%

  • Total voters
    99
Political correctness is precisely the attempt by non-government authorities to act in ways that would violate the First Amendment if attempted by the government.

That just doesn't match the way people use the phrase at all.
 
Incorrect. Political correctness is the attempt to silence those things from even being said.

Unless you come over here and physically bound and gag me you can't silence me from saying something.
 
Commonly held definitions like the inferiority of some races, that gays molest children, and the stupidity of women.

Yeah, everybody knows that only Priests molest children.
 
Are you claiming that non-physical intimidation is not, and cannot, be real?

The only intimidation I would acknowledge is the illegal kind. "Shut your mouth or I kill you" is a criminal threat. Barring something like that, what you're talking about is the fear of some kind of social backlash for breaking commonly held social norms. That's life, and to think there has ever been any other way is foolish.
 
I absolutely think that PC is real. I also think that there is a PC that is held to by the right... by the left .... and by the center on many different issues.
 
The only intimidation I would acknowledge is the illegal kind. "Shut your mouth or I kill you" is a criminal threat. Barring something like that, what you're talking about is the fear of some kind of social backlash for breaking commonly held social norms. That's life, and to think there has ever been any other way is foolish.

You choose to hide your head in the sand. Noted.
 
You choose to hide your head in the sand. Noted.

Please. Tell me of this magical land where you can say anything that breaks social norms with zero social backlash. I'd like to see this place first hand.
 
I voted yes, there's political correctness, usually from the left. Little boys being persecuted for drawing a picture of a gun. Being sent home for wearing a shirt with a cartoon character holding a gun. This actually happened to a stepson of mine. Anyway, not being allowed to use the word nigger unless you're black. The calling for the elimination of statues of confederate war generals, flags etc. The right wing usually doesn't stoop this low and stupid. They're usually busy with more practical matters such as working to keep taxes as low or even non existent as possible for the very wealthy and corporations. Some will say that the wealthy pay the most taxes? Makes sense since most of the gains in productivity in this country have gone to the very wealthy in the last few decades. I'm sure that the poor and the middle class working people would like to pay more taxes that would come with higher wages. Probably won't happen anytime soon with the pro corporate policies of the two major parties. Go bernie go.
 
Please. Tell me of this magical land where you can say anything that breaks social norms with zero social backlash. I'd like to see this place first hand.
Your comprehension is usually better than this. I never said, nor did I imply, there was never backlash.

You said, however, that you choose to recognize only illegal backlash, which confirms that you know other kinds do indeed exist.

My comment was to acknowledge that you choose to not acknowledge the other kinds.
 
Your comprehension is usually better than this. I never said, nor did I imply, there was never backlash.

You said, however, that you choose to recognize only illegal backlash, which confirms that you know other kinds do indeed exist.

My comment was to acknowledge that you choose to not acknowledge the other kinds.

By saying what I acknowledge, I'm referring to the type of backlash that can be reasonably addressed (the criminal kind). It's pointless to complain about non-criminal social backlash for speaking outside of social mores. That is never going away. Ever.

Let's use the gay pizza incident which conveniently presented both examples:

The pizza owner said he'd refuse to cater gay weddings (because apparently pizza is a huge thing at weddings, but whatever). There were two distinct reactions relevant to this thread:

1)Social backlash calling the business owner a bigot.
2)That one woman who threatened to burn down the business.

One of those reactions will reasonably have to be predicted as the business owner was publicly airing a policy that existed outside of social mores. The other reaction was criminal and therefore need not be tolerated.

Ultimately, the term "political correctness" is nothing more than a repackaging of modern etiquette by people who still want to live by their own obsolete social mores.
 
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Here is a little synopsis of political correctness, its purposes, the main characters, mostly Marxists associated with the "Frankfurt School," responsible for popularizing it, and some of the means they have used to do that. I am no great admirer of this journal or the author, but I think anyone who wants to research the claims in this article will find they are accurate.

The Roots of Political Correctness | The American Conservative
 
By saying what I acknowledge, I'm referring to the type of backlash that can be reasonably addressed (the criminal kind). It's pointless to complain about non-criminal social backlash for speaking outside of social mores. That is never going away. Ever.

Let's use the gay pizza incident which conveniently presented both examples:

The pizza owner said he'd refuse to cater gay weddings (because apparently pizza is a huge thing at weddings, but whatever). There were two distinct reactions relevant to this thread:

1)Social backlash calling the business owner a bigot.
2)That one woman who threatened to burn down the business.

One of those reactions will reasonably have to be predicted as the business owner was publicly airing a policy that existed outside of social mores. The other reaction was criminal and therefore need not be tolerated.

Ultimately, the term "political correctness" is nothing more than a repackaging of modern etiquette by people who still want to live by their own obsolete social mores.
Oh, that's right, you're on the pc = etiquette bandwagon. I forgot. I debunked that pages ago in this thread.
 
Here is a little synopsis of political correctness, its purposes, the main characters, mostly Marxists associated with the "Frankfurt School," responsible for popularizing it, and some of the means they have used to do that. I am no great admirer of this journal or the author, but I think anyone who wants to research the claims in this article will find they are accurate.

The Roots of Political Correctness | The American Conservative

How could it have originated with Marxism? Before Marxism, say a person just announced to a room full of people that they like to rape and beat their neighbor's children. Is your contention everybody would have just acted like that was an acceptable thing to say? If not, then "political correctness" predated Marxism, right?
 
Oh, that's right, you're on the pc = etiquette bandwagon. I forgot. I debunked that pages ago in this thread.

You should have led with that. I never would have attempted to claim pc = etiquette if you had told me you already debunked it.
 
It's real, but it comes from both ends of the political spectrum. I remember when you couldn't be for the troops but against the war in Iraq.
 
How could it have originated with Marxism? Before Marxism, say a person just announced to a room full of people that they like to rape and beat their neighbor's children. Is your contention everybody would have just acted like that was an acceptable thing to say? If not, then "political correctness" predated Marxism, right?

None of that is evidence that the doctrine of political correctness was not developed and popularized by communists. If you want to argue that something in that article is inaccurate, refute it with specific facts.
 
Here is a little synopsis of political correctness, its purposes, the main characters, mostly Marxists associated with the "Frankfurt School," responsible for popularizing it, and some of the means they have used to do that. I am no great admirer of this journal or the author, but I think anyone who wants to research the claims in this article will find they are accurate.

The Roots of Political Correctness | The American Conservative

Interesting theory, and I can agree that this is one impetus...but I don't think it's the only one.

I'm still enjoying "intellectual Soylent Green."
 
None of that is evidence that the doctrine of political correctness was not developed and popularized by communists. If you want to argue that something in that article is inaccurate, refute it with specific facts.

Not sure I'm following. How do you think people would have reacted to the scenario I laid out? How, in your view, would that differ from "political correctness?"
 
Interesting theory, and I can agree that this is one impetus...but I don't think it's the only one.

I'm still enjoying "intellectual Soylent Green."

I just like to see the herds of pseudo-liberals who love to pose as being kind, tolerant, and morally superior have the ugly fact exposed, that the roots of some of their most sacred tenets--political correctness is one example, abortion is another--lie in intolerant, totalitarian movements. The Progressives of a century ago, for example, who were the philosophical forbears of today's ironically-styled "liberals," had distinctly fascist and racist tendencies. Woodrow Wilson, a racist who disdained the very constitution he was sworn to uphold, showed both.

Eugenics, which aimed to improve society by preventing too many undesirables from being born, was a Progressive fascination. American writings on it became popular in the Germany in the early 1900's. That was fine at first--but then things went south. The Nazis took the idea to an extreme by eliminating undesirables who had already been born, and that gave eugenics a black eye it never recovered from. So in this country, the emphasis on planned population control then shifted to contraception and abortion. And just as was true in the hey-day of eugenics, abortion today is used disproportionately to prevent births by young black women.
 
It doesn't prevent anything... what it is, is the socially acceptable language of any given period.

Political Correctness has always been with us in one way or another.

in 1960 - Absolutely unacceptable to be gay.

in 2015 - Not so cool to go and call someone a faggot

In 1950 - highly ill advised to admit one was a communist

in 2015 - Who. ****ing. Cares.

Political Correctness is just people being pissed off it isn't as mainstream to say certain things anymore but you can absolutely say them... it just means more people may not want to associate with you after you say them in every circumstance above I just listed.

Pretty darn simple stuff.

It isn't mainstream to say certain things BECAUSE OF Political Correctness demonizing those that express themselves contrary to what is acceptable to those that say it acceptable by insulting those that say what they don't want ot hear.
 
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