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    Re: Political Correctness

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    Re: Political Correctness

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    PC diminishes freedom and stifles inquiry, as does Nazism btw.
    It doesn't seem like you're following what I'm saying. You also diminish the freedom of the Nazi by criticizing him and stifle further inquiry into Nazism. Right? But you think that the immorality of Nazism is sufficiently bad to make that worth it. Right? Same deal with whoever is judging you that you consider to be being politically correct- they think what you're doing is sufficiently bad that it is worth stifling inquiry and diminishing the freedom to do something they consider evil.

    Political correctness isn't a fixed thing out there in the world that everybody can point at and agree that it is political correctness. "Political correctness" is what we call it when somebody expresses a moral belief on us that we personally don't like. There are views you have that other people would consider "political correctness", which you would not, and there are views other people have that you would consider "political correctness", but they don't.

    For example, you don't think that criticizing somebody for expressing Nazi views is "political correctness", you think Nazism is obviously evil and expressing that it is evil is righteously standing up to evil. Well, I think that anti-gay bigotry and racism are just as obviously evil and I think that expressing that they are evil is righteously standing up to evil. Somebody else might think that eating meat is obviously evil and might criticize me for doing it. I'll perceive that as them being "politically correct", but they'll believe that eating meat is obviously evil and that they are bravely standing up against me for what is right.

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    Re: Political Correctness

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    It doesn't seem like you're following what I'm saying. You also diminish the freedom of the Nazi by criticizing him and stifle further inquiry into Nazism. Right? But you think that the immorality of Nazism is sufficiently bad to make that worth it. Right? Same deal with whoever is judging you that you consider to be being politically correct- they think what you're doing is sufficiently bad that it is worth stifling inquiry and diminishing the freedom to do something they consider evil.

    Political correctness isn't a fixed thing out there in the world that everybody can point at and agree that it is political correctness. "Political correctness" is what we call it when somebody expresses a moral belief on us that we personally don't like. There are views you have that other people would consider "political correctness", which you would not, and there are views other people have that you would consider "political correctness", but they don't.

    For example, you don't think that criticizing somebody for expressing Nazi views is "political correctness", you think Nazism is obviously evil and expressing that it is evil is righteously standing up to evil. Well, I think that anti-gay bigotry and racism are just as obviously evil and I think that expressing that they are evil is righteously standing up to evil. Somebody else might think that eating meat is obviously evil and might criticize me for doing it. I'll perceive that as them being "politically correct", but they'll believe that eating meat is obviously evil and that they are bravely standing up against me for what is right.
    We agree anti-gay bigotry and racism are evil.
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    Re: Political Correctness

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It is a classic Left Wing tactic.
    There's just as much PC nonsense coming from the right.

    Foetus, unborn child. Marriage has to mean a man and a woman. Observant Muslim has to be referred to as a Fundy Muzzie. Every year there's a War on Christmas. Don't say Happy Holiday. Palestinians don't exist. Creeping socialism. French fries become Liberty Fries. Welfare Queens and the demonisation of the poor - scroungers. Pro-life, when they really mean anti-abortion. The Dixie Chicks saga.

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    I sometimes cringe when people on the left say ridiculous things and engage in the victim mentality. Had a huge row with Chromium recently when he wanted to ban the word 'fag', and I'm a fag ffs! His hissy fit was frankly embarrassing, but for every Chromium there's a rightie playing the victim card and telling me what I can and can't call something. It's an equal opportunities disease; affects all ends of the political spectrum.
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    Re: Political Correctness

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    There's just as much PC nonsense coming from the right.

    Foetus, unborn child. Marriage has to mean a man and a woman. Observant Muslim has to be referred to as a Fundy Muzzie. Every year there's a War on Christmas. Don't say Happy Holiday. Palestinians don't exist. Creeping socialism. French fries become Liberty Fries. Welfare Queens and the demonisation of the poor - scroungers. Pro-life, when they really mean anti-abortion. The Dixie Chicks saga.

    Need any more examples?

    I sometimes cringe when people on the left say ridiculous things and engage in the victim mentality. Had a huge row with Chromium recently when he wanted to ban the word 'fag', and I'm a fag ffs! His hissy fit was frankly embarrassing, but for every Chromium there's a rightie playing the victim card and telling me what I can and can't call something. It's an equal opportunities disease; affects all ends of the political spectrum.
    To note the excesses of the right does not excuse the excesses of the left.
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    Re: Political Correctness

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    We agree anti-gay bigotry and racism are evil.
    Well, many people on this board consider that view to be political correctness. They don't think racism and bigotry against gay people are evil, they think they're just things that liberals don't want to let people say because it isn't politically correct. So, when you say that political correctness inhibits freedom and whatnot, do you include those views in the scope of the "political correctness" you're denouncing?

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    Re: Political Correctness

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    To note the excesses of the right does not excuse the excesses of the left.
    I think I made that abundantly clear, don't you?
    I sometimes cringe when people on the left say ridiculous things and engage in the victim mentality. Had a huge row with Chromium recently when he wanted to ban the word 'fag', and I'm a fag ffs! His hissy fit was frankly embarrassing, but for every Chromium there's a rightie playing the victim card and telling me what I can and can't call something. It's an equal opportunities disease; affects all ends of the political spectrum.
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    Re: Political Correctness

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    There's just as much PC nonsense coming from the right.

    Foetus, unborn child. Marriage has to mean a man and a woman. Observant Muslim has to be referred to as a Fundy Muzzie. Every year there's a War on Christmas. Don't say Happy Holiday. Palestinians don't exist. Creeping socialism. French fries become Liberty Fries. Welfare Queens and the demonisation of the poor - scroungers. Pro-life, when they really mean anti-abortion. The Dixie Chicks saga.

    Need any more examples?

    I sometimes cringe when people on the left say ridiculous things and engage in the victim mentality. Had a huge row with Chromium recently when he wanted to ban the word 'fag', and I'm a fag ffs! His hissy fit was frankly embarrassing, but for every Chromium there's a rightie playing the victim card and telling me what I can and can't call something. It's an equal opportunities disease; affects all ends of the political spectrum.
    Those are not Political Correctness except for the unborn child... They are narrow minded, bigoted, ignorant, agenda driven, etc. They are not an attack on free speech, other than the unborn one. THAT is Political Correctness.
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    Re: Political Correctness

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Well, many people on this board consider that view to be political correctness. So, when you say that political correctness inhibits freedom and whatnot, do you include those views in the scope of "political correctness"?
    I do not try to inhibit or delegitimize speech with which I disagree.
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    Re: Political Correctness

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I do not try to inhibit or delegitimize speech with which I disagree.
    Sure, you just did. You described racism and anti-gay bigotry as evil. That's what all "political correctness" is- telling people that something they're doing or saying is evil.

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