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    Re: Political Correctness

    University of California's Insane Speech Police - Robby Soave, Daily Beast

    ". . . During the ’60s, students at Berkeley understood that a campus climate of absolute tolerance for free speech was a precondition to successfully combating injustice in the UC system and elsewhere. Liberal and libertarian students and professors fought the administration for the right to hold political rallies, opt out of loyalty oaths, and advocate against the Vietnam War. They trusted that their ideas would win out in the court of public opinion, and only needed to establish that they had the legal right to utter such ideas.

    Today’s UC campus body would be well served to recall these lessons. There is in fact no better place for unfettered free speech than a university campus, and students who spend their four-plus years in college without encountering provocation or offense won’t be adequately prepared for life in the real world. Students should recognize a censorship-lite approach like Napolitano’s for what it is: an attack on the idea of the university as a safe haven for all kinds of speech.
    It also represents an absurd dumbing-down of the concepts of racism and sexism. Contrary to what the seminar materials assert, exclaiming, “Wow! How did you become so good at math?” is not an act of aggression—micro or otherwise. It’s a compliment. Shouldn’t students feel free to compare math-learning strategies without risking the wrath of the PC police?"
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    Re: Political Correctness

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    University of California's Insane Speech Police - Robby Soave, Daily Beast

    ". . . During the ’60s, students at Berkeley understood that a campus climate of absolute tolerance for free speech was a precondition to successfully combating injustice in the UC system and elsewhere. Liberal and libertarian students and professors fought the administration for the right to hold political rallies, opt out of loyalty oaths, and advocate against the Vietnam War. They trusted that their ideas would win out in the court of public opinion, and only needed to establish that they had the legal right to utter such ideas.

    Today’s UC campus body would be well served to recall these lessons. There is in fact no better place for unfettered free speech than a university campus, and students who spend their four-plus years in college without encountering provocation or offense won’t be adequately prepared for life in the real world. Students should recognize a censorship-lite approach like Napolitano’s for what it is: an attack on the idea of the university as a safe haven for all kinds of speech.
    It also represents an absurd dumbing-down of the concepts of racism and sexism. Contrary to what the seminar materials assert, exclaiming, “Wow! How did you become so good at math?” is not an act of aggression—micro or otherwise. It’s a compliment. Shouldn’t students feel free to compare math-learning strategies without risking the wrath of the PC police?"
    So you disagree with the etiquette in those social circles (in this case, the academic ones). So? There are rules of conduct in the social circles you exist in. If I were to suddenly hang out with you and your friends and family, it would be ridiculous to think I could say literally anything I wanted without some form of backlash. This reaction to the break of such social rules is identical in every way to what others call "political correctness."

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    Re: Political Correctness

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    PC is about criticizing behaviours/terms/speech that does not conform to what some want it to be. Etiquette is not calling a black person nigger. PC is people criticizing you for saying not everybody is equal or that something is retarded.
    Etiquette ("politcal correctness") is in fact so malleable and constantly shifting that terms that were once forbidden are suddenly acceptable again. For example, there was a time when "black" was almost entirely replaced by "African American" to the point that it looked very likely that "black" would go the way of "negro." Then a funny thing happened: you could say "black" again. I can only assume that the multiple geographical and racial inaccuracies implied by the term African American just made people drop it and say, "Oh, whatever."

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    Re: Political Correctness

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So you disagree with the etiquette in those social circles (in this case, the academic ones). So? There are rules of conduct in the social circles you exist in. If I were to suddenly hang out with you and your friends and family, it would be ridiculous to think I could say literally anything I wanted without some form of backlash. This reaction to the break of such social rules is identical in every way to what others call "political correctness."
    This is not etiquette. It is the enforcement of a political agenda.
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    Re: Political Correctness

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    This is not etiquette. It is the enforcement of a political agenda.
    That's your interpretation of the end result of a time and region's etiquette. What you're experiencing is a shrinking social circle whose etiquette is slowly being engulfed by a newer and larger one. But again, don't forget you do have your own circles with their own etiquette, and anybody else who steps inside your world will suffer the consequences of not abiding by its rules. From their perspective, they will have experienced the "enforcement of a political agenda."

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    Re: Political Correctness

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That's your interpretation of the end result of a time and region's etiquette. What you're experiencing is a shrinking social circle whose etiquette is slowly being engulfed by a newer and larger one. But again, don't forget you do have your own circles with their own etiquette, and anybody else who steps inside your world will suffer the consequences of not abiding by its rules. From their perspective, they will have experienced the "enforcement of a political agenda."
    Sorry, but no. My "circles" don't enforce codes of speech or belief. They do, however, cherish the freedom that political correctness aims to curtail.
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    Re: Political Correctness

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sorry, but no. My "circles" don't enforce codes of speech or belief.
    Of course they do. If you walked into a room your friends were hanging out in and announced that you have decided that you think child molestation is great or you started wearing a Nazi uniform around, you don't think they would say anything? The difference is that you probably generally agree with the norms your friends would enforce socially, so you don't see them as "political correctness" where you do see people enforcing norms you don't agree with that way. Well, a Nazi or a NAMBLA member would see the way your group reacts to their beliefs as "political correctness."

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    Re: Political Correctness

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    retarded. Mentally challenged. Mentally handicapped. Handicapped. Hand-able. Black. African American. American. Etc. It is all bull****.

    When others tell you that you are saying things wrong or that saying black instead of African America makes you racist, or a bigot or sexist for other things, things are out of control.
    If someone says that using the term black makes you racist, then not only are they wrong, they are grammatically incorrect. Black is an informal term while African American is more formal. Which term you use has more to do with context than political correctness. That said I agree with you on PC being ridiculous at times.
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    Re: Political Correctness

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Of course they do. If you walked into a room your friends were hanging out in and announced that you have decided that you think child molestation is great or you started wearing a Nazi uniform around, you don't think they would say anything? The difference is that you probably generally agree with the norms your friends would enforce socially, so you don't see them as "political correctness" where you do see people enforcing norms you don't agree with that way. Well, a Nazi or a NAMBLA member would see the way your group reacts to their beliefs as "political correctness."
    Those would also be unacceptable in the circles I regard as infected by PC. Sorry, but you're going to have to produce more reasonable hypotheticals to make a point.
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    Re: Political Correctness

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Those would also be unacceptable in the circles I regard as infected by PC. Sorry, but you're going to have to produce more reasonable hypotheticals to make a point.
    Not sure what you're trying to argue. Yes, those things would also be unacceptable in pretty much all circles. But to people who don't agree with those norms, they are "political correctness." That's what "political correctness" is- a social norm one doesn't agree with. So it isn't like there are circles that are objectively PC and other circles that are objectively not PC. It is completely subjective. Depending on one's personal beliefs, different circles look more or less PC. In fact, if 30 years from now, your circle traveled back in time and met your circle today, your circle today would perceive your future circle as being extremely PC because the future circle would have adopted quite a few social norms that your present circle hasn't yet.

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