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Political Correctness

Is Political Correctness Real

  • Yes

    Votes: 82 82.8%
  • No

    Votes: 8 8.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 9 9.1%

  • Total voters
    99
You've kind of got the agency backwards. It isn't about somebody telling society what is correct, free speech is society deciding what is correct.

Wrong. You already stated it, the whole point of it... to "crush" what the "politically correct" tell society what is correct and what is undesirable. The politically correct are a portion of society that think they are cleverly "representing society" but as you can clearly see many do not agree. Those that do not agree are also a portion of society... but you dismiss them, and me, since them, and me, do not represent what is "correct" in your opinion... That is illogical garbage. It is also fallacious. Appeal to Majority.

Uh, no lol. Don't be ridiculous.

'Whites suffer more racism than blacks': Study shows white people believe they are more discriminated against | Daily Mail Online

On Racism and White Privilege | Teaching Tolerance

10 ways white people are more racist than they realize - Salon.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiteness_studies#White_privilege

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Are whites racially oppressed? - CNN.com

It is in these sources but hell, I took a Whiteness Studies course at University and was told by the professor and two black students that I was racist because I was white.
 
Wrong. You already stated it, the whole point of it... to "crush" what the "politically correct" tell society what is correct and what is undesirable. The politically correct are a portion of society that think they are cleverly "representing society" but as you can clearly see many do not agree. Those that do not agree are also a portion of society... but you dismiss them, and me, since them, and me, do not represent what is "correct" in your opinion... That is illogical garbage. It is also fallacious. Appeal to Majority.

No, you've still got the agency mixed up. Free speech is about letting everybody- society as a whole- say what it thinks. If enough people think something is despicable, and they say so, then the people who want to say that thing get drowned out and demeaned for saying it. That's what political correctness is- society firmly rejecting an idea. It isn't some special cadre of people that get to decide, it is society as a whole.

I don't think that the majority is always right. There certainly have been cases where the majority has shouted down what latter turned out to be the right answer. For example, religious majorities have often shouted down science for years before the science won out. But, the theory of free speech is that in the long run, letting society freely express whatever views it wants tends to get you to a better answer than trying to control the conversation


Do you not understand what "white privilege" is? You thought that meant "white people are racist?" Seriously, in 2015, that's where your level of understanding this stuff is at? WTF dude.
 
Lol @ "Crush".

Such evil villain talk.

good catch Bodhisattva
 
I checked "other". The whole notion of PC is certainly real; but it has become some sort of plague. The truth might hurt, but it's still the truth. To solve a problem, you need real hard facts; that way you'll get a result that has a chance of working.
If PC suppresses the free expression of ideas... even those subjectively deemed wrong... then what remains is not the truth, it's lying-by-omission.
 
No, you've still got the agency mixed up. Free speech is about letting everybody- society as a whole- say what it thinks. If enough people think something is despicable, and they say so, then the people who want to say that thing get drowned out and demeaned for saying it. That's what political correctness is- society firmly rejecting an idea. It isn't some special cadre of people that get to decide, it is society as a whole

I know you think that I have it mixed up but it is really you that does by the mere fact that you keep contradicting yourself as I have already once pointing out.
I will do so here again in this post of yours though...

Free speech is about letting everybody- society as a whole- say what it thinks

If enough people think something is despicable, and they say so, then the people who want to say that thing get drowned out and demeaned for saying it.


Debate over really... :lol:

I don't think that the majority is always right. There certainly have been cases where the majority has shouted down what latter turned out to be the right answer.

Subjective nonsense being passed off as objective fact... next?

For example, religious majorities have often shouted down science for years before the science won out. But, the theory of free speech is that in the long run, letting society freely express whatever views it wants tends to get you to a better answer than trying to control the conversation

That is not an example... religious majorities are still free to express themselves and object to science without the scathing oppression that you condone...

Do you not understand what "white privilege" is? You thought that meant "white people are racist?" Seriously, in 2015, that's where your level of understanding this stuff is at? WTF dude.

Straw Man Fallacy

A straw man argument is one that misrepresents a position in order to make it appear weaker than it actually is, refutes this misrepresentation of the position, and then concludes that the real position has been refuted. This, of course, is a fallacy, because the position that has been claimed to be refuted is different to that which has actually been refuted; the real target of the argument is untouched by it.


Logical Fallacies» Straw Man Fallacy

I clearly talked about Whiteness Studies in both posts and have not mentioned White Privilege once but I understand that you are getting your ass kicked in this debate and desperately want to misrepresent my argument in an attempt to appear correct and fluff your damaged ego.
 
Lol @ "Crush".

Such evil villain talk.

good catch Bodhisattva

Thanks... Look at how he talks about free speech that he does not agree with:

"Crush"
"Drowned Out"
"Demeaned"

:roll:
 
Thanks... Look at how he talks about free speech that he does not agree with:

"Crush"
"Drowned Out"
"Demeaned"

:roll:

These people still promote an image of rebelion. They aren't the rebels, they are the control. Police mentality.
 
No, there are many politically active conservatives who don't say any racist stuff at all and hence never get called racists.



Most those appear to be situations where a liberal says "some of X is motivated by racism", no? Well that's true of course, isn't it?

I can't believe you brought up the Biden one though lol. You know that was just a hoax, right? Romney said that Obama was trying to "put Wall Street in chains" and Biden quipped back that Romney was trying to put the people in chains. You really still didn't know that after all these years?



You think the GOP is quicker to kick out racists lol? Do you not follow the news at all lol? Like 1/2 of your presidential candidates both this time and in 2012 have said overtly white supremacist things... Donald Trump is currently #2! He wasn't kicked out for his white supremacist rant, that is why he's #2- because white supremacist ranting boosts your ranking in the GOP. Republican politicians are constantly being caught in racist rants and the best example you can come up with of the GOP kicking somebody out for that was over 20 years ago?

Obviously you're smart enough to know that those Democratic lines you're quoting are not actually racist. Don't play dumb.



"PC culture" is free speech. That's what free speech is- the right to denounce things you think need to be denounced. You can't be anti-PC and pro-free speech, that doesn't make any sense.

Your account of the Biden "in chains" quote is false. And the "some of X is motivated by racism" charge is usually an unsupported smear.
 
I know you think that I have it mixed up but it is really you that does by the mere fact that you keep contradicting yourself as I have already once pointing out.
I will do so here again in this post of yours though...

Free speech is about letting everybody- society as a whole- say what it thinks

If enough people think something is despicable, and they say so, then the people who want to say that thing get drowned out and demeaned for saying it.


Debate over really... :lol:

You still aren't getting it.

I am arguing that free speech means the government lets society say what it pleases.

You are arguing that free speech means that society can't say what it pleases if saying it interferes with the ability of individuals to say what they please.

My stance is correct, and your incorrect, both in the law (the first amendment only prohibits government restrictions on speech) and in they theory of free speech (the whole point is to let society develop and refine ideas, which requires knocking down the bad ideas).

I clearly talked about Whiteness Studies in both posts and have not mentioned White Privilege once

Yes you did. You posted two links to articles about white privilege, including the wikipedia page for it for some reason.
 
Your account of the Biden "in chains" quote is false.

No it is not. Biden: Romney’s Wall Street will ‘put y’all back in chains’ – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

And the "some of X is motivated by racism" charge is usually an unsupported smear.

No, it's generally sufficiently obvious that nobody actually thinks none of X is motivated by racism. The "you can't prove nothing" defense from Republicans is just silly IMO. We aren't in court. There is no punishment if you're accused of racism. "Proof" is totally irrelevant. The hope is that the person doing it wants not to be racist and will sit down an really honestly think it over. If they do that and decide they don't need to change anything, that's the end of that. But instead of doing that exercise, the right tends to just get all defensive, which just further alienates minorities and other folks who are focused on eliminating racism. I dunno man. The way you guys experience all this is so bizarre to me. Somebody says something you do might be racist and you perceive as like a declaration of war where then the accuser is automatically your enemy and your goal is to try to destroy their accusation or something... That's such a messed up way to look at it. They're trying to help you. You shouldn't be trying to disprove the accusation, you should be trying to figure out if you can glean anything from the point they're making that might help you figure something out that you were missing. It's more like if somebody who was watching you play golf had a tip about the position of your wrist or something, but conservatives always react like they just got sued in court instead...
 
No it is not. Biden: Romney’s Wall Street will ‘put y’all back in chains’ – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs



No, it's generally sufficiently obvious that nobody actually thinks none of X is motivated by racism. The "you can't prove nothing" defense from Republicans is just silly IMO. We aren't in court. There is no punishment if you're accused of racism. "Proof" is totally irrelevant. The hope is that the person doing it wants not to be racist and will sit down an really honestly think it over. If they do that and decide they don't need to change anything, that's the end of that. But instead of doing that exercise, the right tends to just get all defensive, which just further alienates minorities and other folks who are focused on eliminating racism. I dunno man. The way you guys experience all this is so bizarre to me. Somebody says something you do might be racist and you perceive as like a declaration of war where then the accuser is automatically your enemy and your goal is to try to destroy their accusation or something... That's such a messed up way to look at it. They're trying to help you. You shouldn't be trying to disprove the accusation, you should be trying to figure out if you can glean anything from the point they're making that might help you figure something out that you were missing. It's more like if somebody who was watching you play golf had a tip about the position of your wrist or something, but conservatives always react like they just got sued in court instead...

I'm familiar with the attempt to walk back Biden's race baiting. It wasn't effective then and it's not effective now. Your Biden claim is false. Your second point is such a mountain of unearned moral arrogance and condescension that it merits no reply.
 
You still aren't getting it.

I am arguing that free speech means the government lets society say what it pleases.

You are arguing that free speech means that society can't say what it pleases if saying it interferes with the ability of individuals to say what they please.

My stance is correct, and your incorrect, both in the law (the first amendment only prohibits government restrictions on speech) and in they theory of free speech (the whole point is to let society develop and refine ideas, which requires knocking down the bad ideas).

The argument is about "Political Correctness". That literally has NOTHING to do with the government. Clearly, you are the one STILL not "getting it".

Yes you did. You posted two links to articles about white privilege, including the wikipedia page for it for some reason.

Regarding "Political Correctness". You are the one that incorrectly assumed that I was linking Whiteness Studies to White Privilege. Acknowledge your mistake.
 
I'm familiar with the attempt to walk back Biden's race baiting. It wasn't effective then and it's not effective now. Your Biden claim is false. Your second point is such a mountain of unearned moral arrogance and condescension that it merits no reply.

Good post... "Like" button not working. ;)
 
The argument is about "Political Correctness". That literally has NOTHING to do with the government. Clearly, you are the one STILL not "getting it".



Regarding "Political Correctness". You are the one that incorrectly assumed that I was linking Whiteness Studies to White Privilege. Acknowledge your mistake.

The PC troopers are through the government like cancer.

They first crept into government departments in England after the war.
 
Yeah. The part that is publicly active. Speak up, as a Conservative, and you will be called a racist by Democrats and their supporters, regardless of the truth of the charge. Unless you are black, in which case you will be called an Uncle Tom for daring to wander off the intellectual plantation. FFS, remember when Chris Matthews declared that Scott Brown talking about driving his truck around the state of Massachusetts was a "racist dog whistle"?
Excellent.
 
I'm familiar with the attempt to walk back Biden's race baiting. It wasn't effective then and it's not effective now. Your Biden claim is false. Your second point is such a mountain of unearned moral arrogance and condescension that it merits no reply.

So basically, you concede both points, but still want it known that you're still kind of curmudgeony about it.
 
The argument is about "Political Correctness". That literally has NOTHING to do with the government. Clearly, you are the one STILL not "getting it".

No, you claimed that political correctness "ruins free speech":

As hoped according to your agenda and I know very well what free speech is... You say making racist comments is bad and so you support Political Correctness that ruins free speech. Justification... that's all. Doesn't make a logical point either.

I have explained to you why that is incorrect. Among other reasons, because free speech is about the government.

Regarding "Political Correctness". You are the one that incorrectly assumed that I was linking Whiteness Studies to White Privilege. Acknowledge your mistake.

Again- you posted two links to articles about white privilege, including the wikipedia page for it for some reason.

You need to concentrate. You keep losing track of everything. If you're watching TV while posting or something, flip it off for a bit maybe.
 
The PC troopers are through the government like cancer.

They first crept into government departments in England after the war.

During the war, I meant to say. Crucial difference.
 
Real or not... some think it isn't and they are generally the ones guilty of being Politically Correct. :lol:

Thoughts....

Political Correctness = Affirmative Action but for Whites who aren't all that keen on meritocracy.
 
Real or not... some think it isn't and they are generally the ones guilty of being Politically Correct. :lol:

Thoughts....

Not really. We're more aware. But being polite has always been a social expectation.
 
Not really. We're more aware. But being polite has always been a social expectation.

Hard to do when liberals are changing the rules on what is polite...... and turning words into "code" as often as I change underwear.
 
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