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Thread: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Either you are not paying attention to the conversation you decided to quote from, or you are simply ignoring it.
    You're not paying attention to anything that happened after 1865.

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    We are speaking to it's origins.
    The origin is irrelevant in the current context. The flag was expropriated and added to state flags by bigots as a form or resistance to segregation. Get the blinders off.

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    There was no racism in the act of slavery no matter who was doing the enslaving.
    But then there was Jim Crow, the Dixiecrats, George Wallace....
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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    You're not paying attention to anything that happened after 1865.



    The origin is irrelevant in the current context. The flag was expropriated and added to state flags by bigots as a form or resistance to segregation. Get the blinders off.
    You get your blinders off.
    And I noticed you didn't reply to what was said to you showing you are not paying attention
    I addressed 1956 and yet you say I am not paying attention to anything after 1865. Showing again that it you who are not paying attention or choosing to be dishonest.

    The origins are very relevant to the what we were discussing. Which apparently I have to remind you again. It was not based on hate and racism.
    Just because the perpetually aggrieved want to make it about hate and racism doesn't mean it was.

    So again back to 1956, it again was about a rebellious attitude to an overbearing Federal Government actions against a State. Again the Federal Government was taking away something that was legal. Which is much the same as the original intent. Which is not hatred and racism.


    And no it was not expropriated. It may have been used to represent such amongst certain folks but it meant more than that to others and still does today.

    One side does not get to claim it as only meaning one thing when it clearly doesn't.
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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You get your blinders off.
    They are. John Marshall Stone, Theodore Bilbo, and Ross Barnett, to name a few, are all dead and buried. Time we bury their flag with them.

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    And I noticed you didn't reply to what was said to you showing you are not paying attention
    Not much to say, other than what I already did. For all practical purposes, the swastika is dead, too, at least outside of Buddhist and Hindu nations. It will be quite some time before it's resuscitated, if ever. The same principal applies to the Battle Flag. Too many of the wrong people wrapped themselves in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I addressed 1956 and yet you say I am not paying attention to anything after 1865. Showing again that it you who are not paying attention or choosing to be dishonest.
    Well, you blew it off by saying it didn't matter. It does matter because white supremacists who controlled the various legislatures were the ones who had it placed on the state flags, including Georgia's. You're completely disingenuous to ignore the background as to why that symbol was added to state flags during Jim Crow and the segregation period:

    "Some Georgians persist in believing that the pride of the south is better defined by a symbol of defiance and intolerance: the Confederate Battle Flag, which was imposed on our state flag in 1956. Of all the arguments that have been to keeping this flag, the most infuriating to me is the contention that if we don't, we will somehow forget the sacrifices made by those who fought for the confederacy. It has nothing to do with the bravery of the confederate troops. It is clear the flag was changed in 1956 to identify Georgia with the dark side of the confederacy. That desire to deprive some Americans of their equal rights that have a birth right of all Americans. And yes, the determination to destroy the United States if necessary to achieve that goal. The legislators who voted to change the flag in 1956 were prepared to defy the supremacy clause of the U.S. constitution. They were prepared to eliminate our public schools in order to maintain segregated schools, segregated public transportation, segregated drinking fountains. We have long since repudiated every element of those shameful 1956 days of defiance except for the flag they created. We now proudly send our sons and even our daughters abroad to defend the United States of America yet we maintain as a symbol of our state, a flag that challenges the very existence of the United States of America. And a flag that exhibits pride of the enslavement of our ancestors"

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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    They are.
    No they are not as it didn't mean hatred and racism and it still doesn't to a great many.




    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Not much to say, other than what I already did. For all practical purposes, the swastika is dead, too, at least outside of Buddhist and Hindu nations. It will be quite some time before it's resuscitated, if ever. The same principal applies to the Battle Flag. Too many of the wrong people wrapped themselves in it.
    It is still used by those who know it's original intent. So you have no valid argument.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Well, you blew it off by saying it didn't matter. It does matter because white supremacists who controlled the various legislatures were the ones who had it placed on the state flags, including Georgia's. You're completely disingenuous to ignore the background as to why that symbol was added to state flags during Jim Crow and the segregation period:
    Not at all. As I pointed out it's meaning is close to the original of opposition to an overbearing Federal Government taking away something that was legal.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    You should take time to listen to the entire address. It will set you free from your sandbox.
    You need to stop buying the bs and be free of your sandbox.
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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No they are not as it didn't mean hatred and racism and it still doesn't to a great many.
    Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever, eh? George Wallace -- YouTube

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    It is still used by those who know it's original intent. So you have no valid argument.
    If some Civil War reenactors want to use it or a museum wants to display it, fine, but it doesn't belong on a state flag.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Not at all. As I pointed out it's meaning is close to the original of opposition to an overbearing Federal Government taking away something that was legal.
    Don't be shy. You mean the federal government threw ice water on the bigotry, racism, and hatred of Jim Crow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You need to stop buying the bs and be free of your sandbox.
    Look, I love Mississippi. The people here--black and white--are extremely generous, and race relations these days are a hell of lot better now than they were when I was growing up. But I would be a fool to ignore the dark side of my state's past. Most of us have moved on, but there are still a few bubbas here stuck in a time warp. Fortunately, they're a distinct minority, for the times, they are a-changing.

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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    George Wallace.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    but it doesn't belong on a state flag.
    It belongs anywhere the legislature puts it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    You mean the federal government threw ice water on the bigotry, racism, and hatred of Jim Crow.
    I clearly stated what it meant.
    Opposition to an overbearing Federal Government.
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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Why not?
    One is specifically about race and the other is specifically about a region.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    One is specifically about race and the other is specifically about a region.
    Which is religious?
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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    One is specifically about race and the other is specifically about a region.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Which is religious?
    ummm... what?
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    ummm... what?
    Lol I read region as religion. Been debating religion a lot today. Sorry
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