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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    The black panther party is a source of pride for many african americans in the united states. Yes most view it as racist, but not all. Just like the confederate flag. It is a part of african american history, and they do represent parts of that culture. Just like the confederate flag. Why would one be more appropriate than the other?
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    What We Believe:

    We believe that Black People will not be free until we are able to determine our own destiny.
    We believe that the federal government is responsible and obligated to give every man employment or a guaranteed income. We believe that if the White American business men will not give full employment, the means of production should be taken from the businessmen and placed in the community so that the people of the community can organize and employ all of its people and give a high standard of living.
    We believe that this racist government has robbed us and now we are demanding the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules. Forty acres and two mules was promised 100 years ago as redistribution for slave labor and mass murder of Black people. We will accept the payment in currency which will be distributed to our many communities: the Germans are now aiding the Jews in Israel for genocide of the Jewish people. The Germans murdered 6,000,000 Jews. The American racist has taken part in the slaughter of over 50,000,000 Black people; therefore, we feel that this is a modest demand that we make.
    We believe that if the White landlords will not give decent housing to our Black community, then the housing and the land should be made into cooperatives so that our community, with government aid, can build and make a decent housing for its people.
    racism bolded...
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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    The black panther party is a source of pride for many african americans in the united states. Yes most view it as racist, but not all. Just like the confederate flag. It is a part of african american history, and they do represent parts of that culture. Just like the confederate flag. Why would one be more appropriate than the other?
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    We believe in an educational system that will give our people a knowledge of self. If a man does not have knowledge of himself and his position in society and the world, then he has little chance to relate to anything else.
    We believe that Black people should not be forced to fight in the military service to defend a racist government that does not protect us. We will not fight and kill other people of color in the world who, like Black people, are being victimized by the White racist government of America. We will protect ourselves from the force and violence of the racist police and the racist military, by whatever means necessary.
    We believe we can end police brutality in our Black community by organizing Black self-defense groups that are dedicated to defending our Black community from racist police oppression and brutality. The second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States gives us the right to bear arms. We therefore believe that all Black people should arm themselves for self-defense.
    We believe that all Black people should be released from the many jails and prisons because they have not received a fair and impartial trial.
    We believe that the courts should follow the United States Constitution so that Black people will receive fair trials. The 14th Amendment of the U.S Constitution gives a man a right to be tried by his peers. A peer is a persons from a similar economic, social, religious, geographical, environmental, historical, and racial background. To do this the court will be forced to select a jury from the Black community from which the Black defendant came. We have been, and are being tried by all White juries that have no understanding of “the average reasoning man” of the Black community.
    When in the course of human events, it become necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature’s god entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, and that all men are created equal that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,--that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its power in a such a form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accused. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, and their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards of their future security.[2]
    racism bolded...
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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
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    racism bolded...
    FFFFFEEEEEEEEAAAAARRRR! FEAR those SCAAAARRRY Black Panthers!

    All the few thousand of them.

    As of 2009, the NBPP claimed a few thousand members organized in 45 chapters, while independent estimates by the Anti-Defamation League suggest that the group is much smaller but is nevertheless able to attract a large turnout of non-members (some of whom may not even realize what this group actually stands for) to its events by focusing on specific issues of local interest.

    Whereas when it comes to right-wing militias:

    Radical anti-government "patriot" groups and militias, galvanized against gun control, will continue to grow even as the number of groups operating in the USAreached an all-time high in 2012, a report Tuesday by the Southern Poverty Law Center finds.

    The center tracked 1,360 radical militias and anti-government groups in 2012, an eightfold increase over 2008, when it recorded 149 such groups. The explosive growth began four years ago, sparked by the election of President Obama and anger about the poor economy, the center says. That growth is likely to continue as the groups recruit more members with a pro-gun message, the center's senior fellow Mark Potok said.


    But remember, kids - y'all really shouldn't worry about 1300+ anti-government 'patriot' groups (oxymoron alert!), each with tens or scores of members! Y'all just need to worry about that ONE group of scary black guys.

    And kids! Just ignore the fact that right-wing militia groups have a long history of committing just about every felony on the books, from smuggling and rape and murder up to and including bombings (plural) - all you really need to know is that those Really Scary Black Guys in the New Black Panther Party were ALLEGED to have intimidated voters ONCE (with no firearms in sight).

    Just remember, it's unAmerican to watch out for those right-wing militia groups no matter what they do ('cause Patriotism!), but it's our solemn duty as American citizens to warn all and sundry about the New Black Panther Party, even if they haven't been convicted of anything at all....
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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Racism bolded....
    Do you think it would be difficult for me to find examples of racism with the confederate flag? Confederate state declarations over the years? And while some people view it that way, I am sure some view it as a symbol of pride and heritage for their race. Sound familiar?
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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    FFFFFEEEEEEEEAAAAARRRR! FEAR those SCAAAARRRY Black Panthers!

    All the few thousand of them.

    As of 2009, the NBPP claimed a few thousand members organized in 45 chapters, while independent estimates by the Anti-Defamation League suggest that the group is much smaller but is nevertheless able to attract a large turnout of non-members (some of whom may not even realize what this group actually stands for) to its events by focusing on specific issues of local interest.

    Whereas when it comes to right-wing militias:

    Radical anti-government "patriot" groups and militias, galvanized against gun control, will continue to grow even as the number of groups operating in the USAreached an all-time high in 2012, a report Tuesday by the Southern Poverty Law Center finds.

    The center tracked 1,360 radical militias and anti-government groups in 2012, an eightfold increase over 2008, when it recorded 149 such groups. The explosive growth began four years ago, sparked by the election of President Obama and anger about the poor economy, the center says. That growth is likely to continue as the groups recruit more members with a pro-gun message, the center's senior fellow Mark Potok said.


    But remember, kids - y'all really shouldn't worry about 1300+ anti-government 'patriot' groups (oxymoron alert!), each with tens or scores of members! Y'all just need to worry about that ONE group of scary black guys.

    And kids! Just ignore the fact that right-wing militia groups have a long history of committing just about every felony on the books, from smuggling and rape and murder up to and including bombings (plural) - all you really need to know is that those Really Scary Black Guys in the New Black Panther Party were ALLEGED to have intimidated voters ONCE (with no firearms in sight).

    Just remember, it's unAmerican to watch out for those right-wing militia groups no matter what they do ('cause Patriotism!), but it's our solemn duty as American citizens to warn all and sundry about the New Black Panther Party, even if they haven't been convicted of anything at all....
    Not fear, FACTS. The BPs are a racist organization. Their very identity is based on race and race related ideas.
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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Do you think it would be difficult for me to find examples of racism with the confederate flag? Confederate state declarations over the years? And while some people view it that way, I am sure some view it as a symbol of pride and heritage for their race. Sound familiar?
    Examples are easy to find, but what I posted are the core beliefs of the BP and the flag that was shown ONLY represents them and their beliefs. The BFoC represents no specific group and it represents a wide variety of beliefs that those who want to fly it believe in. These beliefs range from being a "Dukes of Hazard" fan to racism to declaration of opposition against oppression.
    Our nation has not always lived up to its ideals, yet those ideals have never ceased to guide us. They expose our flaws, and lead us to mend them. We are the beneficiaries of the work of the generations before us and it is each generation's responsibility to continue that work. - Laura Bush

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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    If you support the government flying the confederate flag would you also support flying these flags on federal property as a symbol of pride and history? As someone already pointed out, removing the words on the pictures. Just using the symbols themselves.

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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Not fear, FACTS. The BPs are a racist organization. Their very identity is based on race and race related ideas.
    Yeah, be skeeeered of that ONE racist organization, but don't y'all pay no nevermind to the dozens of strictly white-supremacist racist organizations now, y'hear?

    The New Black Panthers were alleged - but not convicted - of voter intimidation (with no firearm being reported, mind you). This appears to be the one and ONLY crime they are alleged to have committed.

    When it comes to white supremacists, however, here's just ONE example: the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas:

    The various white gangs, with names like the Aryan Society and the Aryan Brothers, mostly adopted a relatively crude white supremacist ideology. In the early to mid-1980s, most of the members of these two gangs united to become the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas, while others left out of the merger later helped form the rival Aryan Circle prison gang. From its beginning, the ABT emerged as one of the most violent gangs in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, committing 13 murders in 1984-1985 alone.[6]

    In March 1985, prospect Virgil Barfield carried out an Aryan Brotherhood of Texas order to kill Calvin Massey. Barfield stabbed Massey 42 times. The violent attack was caught on camera. The video clip helped prosecutors to convict Barfield in the murder of Massey. Virgil Barfield was sentenced to life in prison.[7]

    In 2001, Mark Stroman received the death penalty for his killing spree on Middle Eastern people. He claimed it was a retaliation for the September 11 terrorist attacks. However all three people that he target were of South Asian descent.[8][9][10]

    On September 21st, 2006, gangs members of the ABT, were charged in the death of a young woman named Breanna Taylor. According to investigations from the authorities, Taylor was tortured, sexually assaulted, and murder by ABT gang members. After she was killed by ABT gang members, they poured acid on her body, and then put her body in a tub, poured cement and dumped it into a river. Dale Jameton pleaded guilty and received a life sentence, and Jennifer McClellan was sentenced to 20 years in prison.


    Hm. Murdered 13 people in just 84-85, and as late as 2006 tortured a woman to death...

    ...but don't worry about them, now, 'cause they're WHITE. Y'all just be real careful about them scaaaaary black people, 'cause rumor has it they might stand by a door to a polling place. They won't say nothin', just stand there...and that's worse than ANY number of murders that those fine law-abidin' white folks might ever commit!
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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Decorative Garden Flags

    Are you sure about that?
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    It's the only flag flying at my house.

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    Re: If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    If you support the government flying the confederate flag would you also support flying these flags on federal property as a symbol of pride and history? As someone already pointed out, removing the words on the pictures. Just using the symbols themselves.
    Just because of arguments like this, we should have the following standards...

    - Federal flies the US flag,
    - States fly the federal and their state flags,
    - Cities fly the federal, state, and their city flag (if they have one)

    Easy peasy.
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