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    Re: Is The Government Helping To Fuel Racial/Ethnic Animosity?

    Yes the government fuels race tension by involving itself in something such as race that it can't truly "fix" as some would argue it could. Human racial tribalism isn't going away because forms are changed.

    The hard fact for many is race is a structural part of our civilization. If you tore all the buildings down, the nations down, the armies away, the economies, race would still be going strong. Very strong. Like it or not, race is a massive part of human nature and won't be changed by government ever. Race might very well be the one true thing that cannot be controlled or manipulated by government whether governments like that or not (clearly many do not).

    Example: In 500 years nobody will be talking about modern nations but race will still be a very big factor.

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    Re: Is The Government Helping To Fuel Racial/Ethnic Animosity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Yes the government fuels race tension by involving itself in something such as race that it can't truly "fix" as some would argue it could. Human racial tribalism isn't going away because forms are changed.

    The hard fact for many is race is a structural part of our civilization. If you tore all the buildings down, the nations down, the armies away, the economies, race would still be going strong. Very strong. Like it or not, race is a massive part of human nature and won't be changed by government ever. Race might very well be the one true thing that cannot be controlled or manipulated by government whether governments like that or not (clearly many do not).

    Example: In 500 years nobody will be talking about modern nations but race will still be a very big factor.
    Using an example from the future isn't really using an example.
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    Re: Is The Government Helping To Fuel Racial/Ethnic Animosity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    If the United Nations stopped taking information on world food shortages, wouldn't that stop global hunger?
    What does world food shortages have to do with race/ethnicity?

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    Re: Is The Government Helping To Fuel Racial/Ethnic Animosity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Using an example from the future isn't really using an example.
    Okay here's an example:


    MANY (as in literally millions by various US Mexican authors own indignant outrage over it) US Mexicans choose "White or white non-Hispanic option" on forms over Hispanic or Native American. There's literally dozens of articles on this and it's pretty well known. They do it because many of them actually do feel they are in fact some version of white without going into that any deeper.


    That's just one way that the forms are already "flawed". Anyone can mark anything they want on them and there's no way to possibly tell who is really who anyways. Another example: "Hispanic" is not a race. It's a cultural term. So that option (and numerous others) are totally bogus and meaningless anyways.



    I've actually had this debate with various European nationalists on the DNA testing level over the years and I can tell you that there does arise a basic problem with govt. being involved in race-anything. In order to even REMOTELY achieve an accurate picture of racial demographics in any country (but esp a large one like USA) you'd have to have a massive DNA testing be mandatory. Basically a racialist state would have to be created just to test everybody. (Which would obviously make race a HUGE part of that society). In other words, you can't ever hope to achieve an even remotely accurate sense of race through government unless you're basically willing to recreate Nazi Germany Esq race testing.


    There's Asians that mark white on university entrance forms to get accepted.

    There's whites that mark black on university forms to get accepted.

    In other words, government is extremely bad at dealing with race on any level. There's numerous studies that prove that affirmative action Esq policies have actually helped white women far more than any other group, including minorities. Government race policy almost always backfires.


    Point in case, a Mexican and his video makes my point better than I can hope to:

    Last edited by Ryan5; 06-23-15 at 11:58 PM.

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    Re: Is The Government Helping To Fuel Racial/Ethnic Animosity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Okay here's an example:


    MANY (as in literally millions by various US Mexican authors own indignant outrage over it) US Mexicans choose "White or white non-Hispanic option" on forms over Hispanic or Native American. There's literally dozens of articles on this and it's pretty well known. They do it because many of them actually do feel they are in fact some version of white without going into that any deeper.


    That's just one way that the forms are already "flawed". Anyone can mark anything they want on them and there's no way to possibly tell who is really who anyways. Another example: "Hispanic" is not a race. It's a cultural term. So that option (and numerous others) are totally bogus and meaningless anyways.



    I've actually had this debate with various European nationalists on the DNA testing level over the years and I can tell you that there does arise a basic problem with govt. being involved in race-anything. In order to even REMOTELY achieve an accurate picture of racial demographics in any country (but esp a large one like USA) you'd have to have a massive DNA testing be mandatory. Basically a racialist state would have to be created just to test everybody. (Which would obviously make race a HUGE part of that society). In other words, you can't ever hope to achieve an even remotely accurate sense of race through government unless you're basically willing to recreate Nazi Germany Esq race testing.


    There's Asians that mark white on university entrance forms to get accepted.

    There's whites that mark black on university forms to get accepted.

    In other words, government is extremely bad at dealing with race on any level. There's numerous studies that prove that affirmative action Esq policies have actually helped white women far more than any other group, including minorities. Government race policy almost always backfires.


    Point in case, a Mexican and his video makes my point better than I can hope to:

    So you're arguing that a social construct is being socially constructed.
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    Re: Is The Government Helping To Fuel Racial/Ethnic Animosity?

    Having to know a man's "race" .. I consider to be racist .. And this I hate , usually I leave that section blank .. or I write in "human" . I'd love to see a stop put to this "racism" . but this involves a less conservative government. . a fear of change ...

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    Re: Is The Government Helping To Fuel Racial/Ethnic Animosity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    If the United Nations stopped taking information on world food shortages, wouldn't that stop global hunger?
    Strange , illogical reasoning .
    Please elaborate.

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    Re: Is The Government Helping To Fuel Racial/Ethnic Animosity?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Strange , illogical reasoning .
    Please elaborate.
    It was a rhetorical question. Ponder it carefully and try to consider the analogy.

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    Re: Is The Government Helping To Fuel Racial/Ethnic Animosity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    So you're arguing that a social construct is being socially constructed.


    Oh no I don't buy the social construct line at all. Race is definitely a reality (both biologically and socially). That said, what I'm arguing is race is far more deeply embedded within humanity, both physically and psychologically, that no government or social movement is ever going to truly impact on any real level. Simply take human history and attempts to control or manipulate race. It always fails (on both the negative historical attempts and the positive). Race is just too deep. It's our last vestige of tribalism and it isn't going away. Just think about it. Race spawned both global wars, arguably it also spawned human religion, the new world conquests and much, much more. It was why the Mongols conquered half the world. It's why East Asians are so racially congruent. They genocided other peoples away from their racial ideal throughout history.
    Last edited by Ryan5; 06-24-15 at 02:53 PM.

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    Re: Is The Government Helping To Fuel Racial/Ethnic Animosity?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    On almost every government form that one has to fill out, whether its for welfare, the census, job applications or whatever, one must fill out an entry for race/ethnicity. Is the government in fact overemphasizing race and helping to fuel animosity between different ethnic groups? Are government programs like affirmative action still viable or should they be dismantled because of a backlash or perhaps they may no longer be needed?

    Should the government stop taking information about race/ethnicities? Could this be in fact part of the solution to the problem? What do you think?
    I voted 'yes', because in a great way they are, albeit some of it is unintended consequences.

    There should have been a "yes and no" option, though.
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