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    Re: Which political lean is most responsible for the shooting in Charleston?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Do you mean to tell us that no conservative group has ever burned a flag? Are you sure about that?
    No group that I would define as actually being "Conservative," particularly not in the mainstream political sense of the word, burns the American flag.

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    Re: Which political lean is most responsible for the shooting in Charleston?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    No group that I would define as actually being "Conservative," particularly not in the mainstream political sense of the word, burns the American flag.
    I didn't say the "American" flag; I said "a" flag.

    And yes, there were plenty of Iranian flag burnings by conservatives in 1979. And a handful of Soviet flag burnings throughout the cold war. So it's no good to complain that all the bad behavior that comes out of political gatherings is fomented by liberals. As you've seen, such a claim is simply a lie, and also a poor one.
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    Re: Which political lean is most responsible for the shooting in Charleston?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    I didn't say the "American" flag; I said "a" flag.

    And yes, there were plenty of Iranian flag burnings by conservatives in 1979. And a handful of Soviet flag burnings throughout the cold war. So it's no good to complain that all the bad behavior that comes out of political gatherings is fomented by liberals. As you've seen, such a claim is simply a lie, and also a poor one.
    Ooookaaay... No offense, but who gives a sh*t?

    My point was that American "Conservatives" don't burn the American flag, while bearing public faith and allegiance to the flags of foreign nations in its place. Roof did both.

    He was not "Conservative."

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    Re: Which political lean is most responsible for the shooting in Charleston?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Ooookaaay... No offense, but who gives a sh*t?

    My point was that American "Conservatives" don't burn the American flag, while bearing public faith and allegiance to the flags of foreign nations in its place. Roof did both.

    He was not "Conservative."
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    Re: Which political lean is most responsible for the shooting in Charleston?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Gonna have to do better than that.
    No, I don't. You're apparently just ignorant.

    Patriotism is probably the single most defining and universal aspect of the modern American "Conservative" movement, and it always has been.

    Seriously, try and come up with an example of any self respecting American "Conservative" burning an American flag in contempt, and showing respect to a foreign flag in its place. I dare you.
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    Re: Which political lean is most responsible for the shooting in Charleston?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Why not ask which religion, hair style, movie, book, music or firearm was "most responsible" for the shooting? So far we have the blame being shared with (placed on?) the continued display of the stars and bars flag, too little "gun control" and now we get to try to blame a political lean? Why not just accept the idea that within a nation of over 300 million folks a small number of them will occassionally commit some seriously violent criminal acts?
    Because if we did that then we wouldn't get to blame anybody!! Duh!!!


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    Re: Which political lean is most responsible for the shooting in Charleston?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    No, I don't. You're apparently just ignorant.

    Patriotism is probably the single most defining and universal aspect of the modern American "Conservative" movement, and it always has been.

    Seriously, try and come up with an example of any self respecting American "Conservative" burning an American flag in contempt, and showing respect to a foreign flag in its place. I dare you.
    Who said this guy was "self-respecting"?

    Someone being so disillusioned with America that they'd burn a flag instantly becomes "not conservative"? The WBC prattles on about how God hates America because we're decent to homosexuals. Guess that makes them a bunch of libs.
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    Re: Which political lean is most responsible for the shooting in Charleston?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Gonna have to do better than that.
    Hmm...

    In theory it's probably possible to be left-wing AND a ridiculously racist asshole murderer like roof

    But this guy seemingly identified with two (three?) extremely racist governments from the past, and to my knowledge they were mainly conservative in nature - albeit nothing any conservative these days would touch (at least not publicly, but then no one is racist publicly these days, if they're in politics)
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    Re: Which political lean is most responsible for the shooting in Charleston?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Who said this guy was "self-respecting"?

    Someone being so disillusioned with America that they'd burn a flag instantly becomes "not conservative"?

    Ayup. The minute you throw "God and country" to the wind, and espouse the overthrow of our Constitutional Government (which is exactly what he was doing by burning our flag, and trying to start a 'race war') you forfeit all right to be called "Conservative," and you cease to have any affiliation whatsoever with the ideological movement as it exists in the American political mainstream.

    Again, I dare you to find anyone of consequence in modern Conservativism who either agreed with this kid, or condoned his actions. You're simply not going to find such a thing.

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    Re: Which political lean is most responsible for the shooting in Charleston?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If you read the manifesto and see his selected pics of himself , we get a person who
    1- supports the Confederacy
    2- embraces the painting of African Americans in the worst possible light
    3- was obsessed with the Martin case and felt he got what he deserved

    No how many liberals here can check off those three boxes?

    And how many self declared people on the right - be they conservatives or right libertarians - can check of those three boxes?

    An honest answer there tells you the answer to this poll.
    1. Well, there is no Confederacy any more. In fact we're 150 years to the day that Stand Waite surrendered.

    2. I don't see too many folks pointing out African Americans as a whole as being a problem. There are, however, some significant problems in a number of African American communities and those problems do indeed get pointed out.

    3. Trayvon Martin bit off more than he could chew when he attacked Zimmerman. He made his choice and paid the price.

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