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Which political lean is most responsible for the shooting in Charleston?

Which lean is responsible?


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If you had given a choice like "Roof was inspired by the radical right websites and FOX news" I would have voted for it.

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Actual Nazis were/are right wing (extreme, though).

No overall political lean is responsible for this at all, however - the guy made his decisions and ended up where he is.

The problem may be that we ignore this kind of thing until it gets out of hand.

I read somewhere that his roommate knew he was planning something like this, but (I'm assuming) did nothing because he thought it was just insane ranting, or the like.

He was probably like "yeah, sure, whatever (walks away carefully)"

Edit: This story mentions what I'm talking about: Charleston Shooting: A Closer Look at Alleged Gunman Dylann Roof - ABC News
 
Sure, but "inspired by" and "responsible for" are not the same thing.

It depend on how sensitive you are. I doubt the authors of those racist sites he mentioned are going to lose any sleep over it if that is what you mean. They will keep writing their racist lies and preaching hate, no doubt.
 
This is ridiculous.

The guy was clearly nuts...whacko...around the bend...looped.

Politics has nothing to do with this...insanity has everything to do with it.
 
After scanning through some of the threads, clearly there are opinions on this so don't be shy, which "side" is to blame?

Getting the poll together.

I prefer to answer with words over polls, so here it is:

1. Racism is evil.

2. In the US, conservatism and racism have been very closely tied to each other since at least the mid-1850s.

3. Draw your own conclusions from (1) and (2).
 
It depend on how sensitive you are. I doubt the authors of those racist sites he mentioned are going to lose any sleep over it if that is what you mean. They will keep writing their racist lies and preaching hate, no doubt.
No doubt. "Inspired by" and "responsible for" can both be involved, generically speaking, but they're still different things. The two don't have to be wholly mutually exclusive.
 
Or maybe it is more conservatives tending to recognize this shooting isn't about politics or trying to point fingers at a political party for no real reason, and liberals doing the opposite and blaming people who are in no way responsible just to take cheap shots at the other party like little kids.


Or Conservatives don't have something "liberal," to pin on Roof, and thus it isn't about politics.

If some liberal not job shoots something up a month (or 3 or 6, w.e) from now, conservatives would be blaming liberals and dems, make no mistake.
 
The racist who did the shooting is responsible.

Wait and see how his trial ends up.
 
I prefer to answer with words over polls, so here it is:

1. Racism is evil.

2. In the US, conservatism and racism have been very closely tied to each other since at least the mid-1850s.

3. Draw your own conclusions from (1) and (2).


By that logic...

1.) Terrorism is evil

2.) Islam and terrorism have been very closely tied to each other since WW2

3.) Draw your own conclusions from (1) and (2)


but but but.... that wouldn't be PC and it wouldn't fall in neatly with the liberal agenda. So unless you're willing to say that Islam is evil, you need to bite your tongue.
 
Republicans. Sure the kid was a drug addict but still, if you have one party screaming on a daily basis "The Country is Being Taken Away by people who vote Democrat" it's not exactly rocket science who's to blame for random drug addict deciding to go kill "the people who vote Democrat".

Republicans on a daily basis herald the end of the country thanks to Obama.
 
After scanning through some of the threads, clearly there are opinions on this so don't be shy, which "side" is to blame?

Getting the poll together.

Amazingly horrible question, why would a political lean be responsible for Charleston?
 
Sure it is. It's the Michele Bachmann wing of the Tea Party.

I think it's disgusting and in incredibly poor taste that the left has decided to take what is a national tragedy and a very sad situation, AND POLITICIZE IT.

There's something sick and sinister about the OPPORTUNISM on display by the left in this instance, and America needs to stand up and take notice.
 
Republicans. Sure the kid was a drug addict but still, if you have one party screaming on a daily basis "The Country is Being Taken Away by people who vote Democrat" it's not exactly rocket science who's to blame for random drug addict deciding to go kill "the people who vote Democrat".

Republicans on a daily basis herald the end of the country thanks to Obama.

Maybe blame the fact that he's a drug addict, or a crazy psychopath??
 
Roof's own psychological instability is the primary culprit. His radical racist ideology, paired with his drug abuse, was simply the catalyst it apparently needed to explode into homicidal violence.

That ideology, while undeniably "Right Wing," was not, however, in any sense representative of mainstream American "Conservatism," or even necessarily "Southern" American culture. To the contrary, it was mostly representative of the kind of fringe extremism that Neo-Nazi groups and the modern KKK tend to espouse. It also - as evidenced by Roof's admiration for Apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia - appears to have been international in basis, rather than distinctly regional.

I'm sorry, but in light of those facts, anyone who tries to spin this as being something that Southern culture or modern Conservativism need to "re-evaluate," "answer," or "apologize" for either doesn't have the slightest clue what they're talking about, or is simply blatant partisan slime attempting to capitalize on tragedy as a means of scoring petty political points. Quite frankly, they should be ashamed of themselves as such.
 
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It's definitely the liberal left-wing and the hatred spewed daily by the Obama administration and the Holder no Justice Department.
 
Maybe blame the fact that he's a drug addict, or a crazy psychopath??


But you don't have random drug addicts going around shooting a certain voting bloc of people for no reason. The kid was very clear, it was about his conservative ideology. America has millions of drug addicts. You trying to argue they all go around killing political voting blocs is dishonest. You know it was influenced by Republican ideology.

Again, let's have some evidence:

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But you don't have random drug addicts going around shooting a certain voting bloc of people for no reason. The kid was very clear, it was about his conservative ideology. America has millions of drug addicts. You trying to argue they all go around killing political voting blocs is dishonest. You know it was influenced by Republican ideology.

Again, let's have some evidence:

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There are millions more conservatives than drug addicts.... so how come they're not all out there murdering people?

I think you're drawing the conclusion that you want to draw, without really giving it much thought.
 
By that logic...

1.) Terrorism is evil

2.) Islam and terrorism have been very closely tied to each other since WW2

3.) Draw your own conclusions from (1) and (2)


but but but.... that wouldn't be PC and it wouldn't fall in neatly with the liberal agenda. So unless you're willing to say that Islam is evil, you need to bite your tongue.

Your analogy doesn't work, I'm afraid.

Many people have committed terrorist acts in the name of Islam. That doesn't necessarily mean that they're all observant Muslims.

By all accounts, Dylann Roof was a very loyal conservative.
 
After scanning through some of the threads, clearly there are opinions on this so don't be shy, which "side" is to blame?

Getting the poll together.

ERWF
Extreme Right Wing Freak.
 
Your analogy doesn't work, I'm afraid.

Many people have committed terrorist acts in the name of Islam. That doesn't necessarily mean that they're all observant Muslims.

By all accounts, Dylann Roof was a very loyal conservative.

LMAO

:lamo
 
I think it's disgusting and in incredibly poor taste that the left has decided to take what is a national tragedy and a very sad situation, AND POLITICIZE IT.

There's something sick and sinister about the OPPORTUNISM on display by the left in this instance, and America needs to stand up and take notice.
You mean like how so many on the right felt the need to remind us constantly that, after the recent riots, Baltimore had been run by Democrats for decades? That kind of sadness?
 
Your analogy doesn't work, I'm afraid.

Many people have committed terrorist acts in the name of Islam. That doesn't necessarily mean that they're all observant Muslims.

By all accounts, Dylann Roof was a very loyal conservative.

Lies, and poor ones at that.

Roof burned American flags, while proudly displaying the flags of defunct racist African nations. He was not a "Conservative." If you think otherwise, you clearly don't understand what the word even means.
 
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Lies, and poor ones at that.

Roof burned American flags, while proudly displaying the flags of defunct racist African nations. He was not a "Conservative." If you think otherwise, you clearly don't understand what the word even means.

Do you mean to tell us that no conservative group has ever burned a flag? Are you sure about that?
 
I prefer to answer with words over polls, so here it is:

1. Racism is evil.

2. In the US, conservatism and racism have been very closely tied to each other since at least the mid-1850s.

3. Draw your own conclusions from (1) and (2).
I cannot accept that logic.

Point one is mainly correct, although I would prefer "racism is wrong", as it seems possible to be racist due to misunderstanding of reality, rather than due to evil, although it's a close thing (and largely dependent on how a given individual responds to accurate data).

Point two is wrong, so far as I know. However, even if it is correct, it does not make this specific event somehow the fault of conservatives (a term that is very general to being with).

Thus when we move to point three, any conclusions drawn are likely flawed.



All that said, any person, no matter their position, who tries to claim racism is dead in the US or the world is a ****ing idiot and should never be elected to any political office.
 
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