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Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]

Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 30.2%
  • No

    Votes: 127 69.8%

  • Total voters
    182

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Should the Confederate Flag be removed/abolished?

I say no. The argument is that it represents racism and slavery. That is stupid. So does the American Flag.
 
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Should the Confederate Flag be removed/abolished?

I say no. The argument is that it represents racism and slavery. That is stupid. So does the American Flag.

Ello, Mate...from Byron Bay, Australia.

Bod, you're right. The American Flag flew for a long time when slavery was not only legal, but was the reason so many people like Washington and Jefferson were able to grow their wealth as they did. Washington was worth $500 Million (in today's money) and Jefferson somewhere about $200 Million. Jefferson not only used slaves for labor, but bred and sold slaves.

Until the Civil Right Act 1964 - blacks were still almost slaves. They were free - but with very limited means.
 
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Abolished, no. Removed from State sponsorship, yes.
 
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What most people consider to be the flag of the Confederacy is actually an adaptation of a battle flag used to differentiate between the "Stars and Bars" flag which, at a distance, could easily be confused with the "Stars and Stripes" of the Union.

The Confederate states DID secede, in part, over the right to own slaves but the overall reason for secession was more about States Rights as a whole than anything else.
 
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What most people consider to be the flag of the Confederacy is actually an adaptation of a battle flag used to differentiate between the "Stars and Bars" flag which, at a distance, could easily be confused with the "Stars and Stripes" of the Union.

The Confederate states DID secede, in part, over the right to own slaves but the overall reason for secession was more about States Rights as a whole than anything else.
Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.
 
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too many babies crying about a flag.:roll:

it's a cool flag... keep it.
 
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It is a symbol of racism and segregation. I would not oppose an individual having one or flying it. I do not support our federal or state governments flying that flag.
 
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It is a symbol of racism and segregation. I would not oppose an individual having one or flying it. I do not support our federal or state governments flying that flag.


the American flag is also a symbol of racism and segregation... wanna take that one down too?
 
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What most people consider to be the flag of the Confederacy is actually an adaptation of a battle flag used to differentiate between the "Stars and Bars" flag which, at a distance, could easily be confused with the "Stars and Stripes" of the Union.

The Confederate states DID secede, in part, over the right to own slaves but the overall reason for secession was more about States Rights as a whole than anything else.

The South seceded because Lincoln won the presidency. So, if you want to call leaving the union because you are unhappy with the election "state's rights" then you are correct. But, of course, we all know states can't do that. So, there's a one state right denied. :lol:
 
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the American flag is also a symbol of racism and segregation... wanna take that one down too?

The American flag represents freedom. It may have been a symbol of America during an unfortunate period in our history but that is not what it represents today. The confederate flag has always representes slavery. That has never changed.
 
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the American flag is also a symbol of racism and segregation... wanna take that one down too?

At least that flag wins wars. The other one got it's ass handed to it in the only war ever fought for it.
 
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The American flag represents freedom. It may have been a symbol of America during an unfortunate period in our history but that is not what it represents today. The confederate flag has always representes slavery. That has never changed.

THe Confederate flag represents losers. It's like wearing a Cubs hat in Yankee stadium.
 
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Should the Confederate Flag be removed/abolished?

I say no. The argument is that it represents racism and slavery. That is stupid. So does the American Flag.

Nope, the American flag represents the ability to rise above our current condition, to move our society from the old ways to the vision of liberty and freedom for all. It stands for the ability to be able to say, we got that wrong now we're going to try to get it right.

The confederate flag stands for an economic and social system entirely dependent on slave labor. For taking a juxtaposed view of our founding documents.. That they only apply to some.
 
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The American flag represents freedom. It may have been a symbol of America during an unfortunate period in our history but that is not what it represents today. The confederate flag has always representes slavery. That has never changed.

you're free to your opinion....
 
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i don't live in SC, so i didn't vote in the poll. what they want to do is up to them.

as for the flag itself, i'll say this : some might say it's remembering their heritage; others would argue that it's a symbol of fighting for states' rights against an oppressive federal government. i'm not arguing that it isn't both of these things to some degree. however, the symbol has been coopted and basically ruined by racist assholes. when i see a Confederate flag on a truck or on the front porch of a house, i know with 95+ percent certainty exactly what it means and why it's there. so does any black American who sees it. these aren't history buffs; they are racists, and the message is that they don't like racial minorities. there's very little chance that this particular symbol will be looked at by most people as anything other than an expression of racism. that's how i see the situation. as for states that want to argue that it means something else, if they want to leave it up, i'm not going to climb the statehouse and pull it down.
 
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there's no need to remove it at all.
the flag didn't do anything wrong...the flag didn't cause anyone to do anything wrong.

I agree, the flag did not in itself cause anything. But it appears to be a real source of contention based on what it represents, so leave it to the private individual to deal with and get the States out of the mix.
 
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I agree, the flag did not in itself cause anything. But it appears to be a real source of contention based on what it represents, so leave it to the private individual to deal with and get the States out of the mix.

that particular flag represents different things to different people..... and the people of each state can have their say in the matter.
if they want their state to fly the flag, then fly the flag.. if they choose to bring it down.. fine by me as well.... it's just a flag.

I'll bet you a dollar racism doesn't end when the flag comes down though...I could be wrong, but I highly doubt this is the magic flag that ends racism.
in fact, it will be forgotten about as soon as the next news cycle comes around.
 
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that particular flag represents different things to different people..... and the people of each state can have their say in the matter.
if they want their state to fly the flag, then fly the flag.. if they choose to bring it down.. fine by me as well.... it's just a flag.

I'll bet you a dollar racism doesn't end when the flag comes down though...I could be wrong, but I highly doubt this is the magic flag that ends racism.
in fact, it will be forgotten about as soon as the next news cycle comes around.

Of course it will not end, we have to much momentum for way too many to ensure racism sticks around.
 
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It is a symbol of racism and segregation. I would not oppose an individual having one or flying it. I do not support our federal or state governments flying that flag.

How is that flag different that the US Flag?
 
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At least that flag wins wars. The other one got it's ass handed to it in the only war ever fought for it.

The USA Flag is about 50/50.

Won: Am. Revolution, WWI, WWII, Persian Gul War
Lost: Vietnam, Korea and the War of 1812

Spanish American War was next to nothing and I left out Iraq and Afghanistan because there is no winner or loser other than the people living there.
 
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Nope, the American flag represents the ability to rise above our current condition, to move our society from the old ways to the vision of liberty and freedom for all. It stands for the ability to be able to say, we got that wrong now we're going to try to get it right.

The confederate flag stands for an economic and social system entirely dependent on slave labor. For taking a juxtaposed view of our founding documents.. That they only apply to some.

It took us a long time to do that... what if all the South needed was more time as well?
 
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