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Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]

Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 30.2%
  • No

    Votes: 127 69.8%

  • Total voters
    182
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If you had been from my granddaddy's day you would understand things a little better

Oh, please do elaborate. We'd love to know how your "grandaddy" looked at things and it would help us understand you so much better.
 
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It confirms a lot of things I learned from my granddaddy, who if he were alive today would be leading a major league protest against the backlash that has resulted from one nutcase.

So would "segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" accurately describe ol' grandaddy's view of things?
 
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Revisionist history strikes again. The main reason for the War for Southern Independence was the north had way too much power and was pretty much pushing the South around, and the South, as you might expect, did not like that. Later, when the yankees realized it was do or die time, because Europe was fixing to help the South, then they made it all about slavery. Deny it all you want to but that is what really happened

Elaborate how Europe was fixing to help the South please?

For one, we are native Europeans, and we never planned to do that, so be specific.
 
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You know, horsegirl, I think you ought to be aware that you're telling us a lot more about yourself than you might be intending. It's starting to seem like you have very firm white supremacist ideas yourself. Do you think the white race is superior to all the other races (with the black race being at the bottom)?
 
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Flying the flag of the current government symbolizes who is in control. How is that not essential to government function?

The Signs designating they are a U.S. National Park or Memorial, etc, along with its name, symbolizes who is in control. There is no need for an expensive and tall flag pole.

In fact.... National Parks are not essential to government either....Nor are war memorials or national cemetaries....

How far do you want to go with this ignorance?
 
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I would understand when Albania joins with Dardania, that perhaps in the beginning there may be two flags. But the southern flag represents secession not unification, so remove it I say.

So.... remove it over state maintained confederate burial grounds and memorials?
 
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Why do you need a seceding flag on top of such sensitive US wounds?

Because it was the flag the soldiers within or being memorialized died under.....

Is France wrong to have memorials to U.S. Soldiers who died in France with a U.S. Flag Flying above it?
 
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The Signs designating they are a U.S. National Park or Memorial, etc, along with its name, symbolizes who is in control. There is no need for an expensive and tall flag pole.

In fact.... National Parks are not essential to government either....Nor are war memorials or national cemetaries....

How far do you want to go with this ignorance?

I will admit I was ignorant about the flag being on a memorial that is to educate people about the civil war. Thus I will not defend my argument with you any further. The people whom I talked to said it was the capitol building, not a memorial. I didn't look into the facts for myself. I digress.
 
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Because it was the flag the soldiers within or being memorialized died under.....

If so, how is the flag of secession help the people move on from those days?

Is France wrong to have memorials to U.S. Soldiers who died in France with a U.S. Flag Flying above it?

The issue is within USA, not between country arrangements.

We have USA memories right in my city too. There's an Albanian flag in many parts within USA. But we indeed are different countries, the south and the north are not.
 
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It appears that ol' grandaddy's views on race are still quite alive however.

Yeah he used to fly the Confederate flag at our house when he lived with us, and of course one of our crazy neighbors thought the Grand Imperial Wizard of the KKK lived there! Then again the minister at the Baptist church around the corner was a big history buff and he and my granddaddy would talk for HOURS about the war, and granddaddy would recall every story that his veteran friends had told him as a teenager. I heard all those stories a million times growing up
 
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You know, horsegirl, I think you ought to be aware that you're telling us a lot more about yourself than you might be intending. It's starting to seem like you have very firm white supremacist ideas yourself. Do you think the white race is superior to all the other races (with the black race being at the bottom)?

No I don't and in fact if you got to know me you would realize that I am probably the least prejudiced person you could ever meet.
 
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Elaborate how Europe was fixing to help the South please?

For one, we are native Europeans, and we never planned to do that, so be specific.

England and France, from the way the stories go, were planning to intervene and help the South. Of course that is not something they're gonna talk about now. However it did not happen that way. I often wonder if it had would the South had won after all? Makes you wonder
 
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So would "segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" accurately describe ol' grandaddy's view of things?

In the beginning maybe, but I think granddaddy, in his later years, lightened up on his view of others. For example we used to go to a restaurant which I don't know if you have it in your area or not because its not nationwide, called Jason's Deli, where granddaddy would speak Spanish to the Mexican busboys and it seemed to make their day. Also when both my grandparents were alive and living in Richmond we would eat at Picadilly Cafeteria on Broad Street because it was near their apartment. Well there was this elderly black gentleman, about granddaddy's age or a little younger, and he was always very friendly to us when we came in. In fact the last time I saw him, I was in my mid 20's, he came over to our table to say hello, and he saw me, and told me I was all grown up now. Then he told my mom that he can remember when I was just a little girl. He was a kind man and he and granddaddy always seemed to get along well. SO I think while my granddaddy's views were typical of the early 1900's (he was born in 1911) that he came around later at least as far as skin color was concerned. He never did like Catholics, never did like Jews. I on the other hand am completely different. I don't hate anyone, skin color or religion notwithstanding.
 
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Lets examine the post and quotes

here is my post 558 with you in it



and my response


What exactly is your problem with that? What do you claim was being discussed if not the Confederate flag of the topic and what it stands for?

What you said is irrelevant, obviously, because I clearly was referrencing what she was talking about. I have no idea why you are attempting to interject yourself into this especially when you don't seem to understand what we were talking about or what I referrenced, which was NOT "slavery". Just move on...
 
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What is it gonna take for you to learn that the war was not all about slavery until a couple of years in? It was ONE issue but sure as heck not the main one. What is it gonna take, the Congressional records from the 1850's?

So who was it that a couple of years in went back and dated those statements scission back to the start of the war?
 
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What you said is irrelevant, obviously, because I clearly was referrencing what she was talking about. I have no idea why you are attempting to interject yourself into this especially when you don't seem to understand what we were talking about or what I referrenced, which was NOT "slavery". Just move on...

So you are unable to produce any actual posts from anyone showing anything of the EPIC FAIL that you boasted while donning the striped shirt of the impartial judge.

Got it loud and clear.
 
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If so, how is the flag of secession help the people move on from those days?



The issue is within USA, not between country arrangements.

We have USA memories right in my city too. There's an Albanian flag in many parts within USA. But we indeed are different countries, the south and the north are not.

So.... how is the U.S. Flag Above U.S. Burial Grounds helping the U.S. Move on?

I can do this all day.

Fact is... nobody has any business removing a Confederate Flag from a Confederate memorial or burial site.

State Capitol? Sure, But as I recall they did that years ago.

The point of a flag being over a war burial ground or memorial ground isn't to help people move on.
 
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You know, horsegirl, I think you ought to be aware that you're telling us a lot more about yourself than you might be intending. It's starting to seem like you have very firm white supremacist ideas yourself. Do you think the white race is superior to all the other races (with the black race being at the bottom)?

Wow....

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When you get the story straight from the horse's mouth as my granddaddy did, I tend to find it quite believable

So your entire argument is based around what your Grandpa told you and that book by a known white power nationalist.
 
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So your entire argument is based around what your Grandpa told you and that book by a known white power nationalist.

And some still wonder why these ideas are alive and well over a century and a half later? :roll:
 
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