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Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]

Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 30.2%
  • No

    Votes: 127 69.8%

  • Total voters
    182
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Should the Confederate Flag be removed/abolished?

I say no. The argument is that it represents racism and slavery. That is stupid. So does the American Flag.

The American Flag represents far more than just slavery. The Confederate Flag represents a group of states that left the union in an effort to preserve the institution of slavery. That is a big difference.

By your reasoning there is nothing wrong with flying the Nazi flag being that America committed genocide against Native Americans.
 
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Same with State Flags from the South... just a constant reminder of racism, murder, slavery, segregation, beatings, whipping, lynchings, ripping families apart, from the POV of those with generations of being the subjugated.

Yup, are using that to justify the existence the arching representation of that ideology?

Oh, and name one other failed nation/state that still has its flag flying. They lost. It's over.
 
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I say it should be removed, might as well just fly the Nazi flag while you are at it.
 
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So everybody who is in favor of the flag, let me ask you this.

What if you were Jewish, and everywhere you turned, you saw a flag with a swastika on it? It was flying over your capitol building It was on the license plate of your car that you had to pay Ad Velorum tax to have. Everytime you went shopping, it was on t shirts and beer cozies and flying from the backs of giant 4 wheel drives.

How would that make you feel?

Both are symbols of hate and divisiveness. I would only hope that if that ever happened to any of you, you wouldn't be called a crybaby.


why not pull the US flag down then?.. American Indians have that flag thrown their face all the time... aren't they worth consideration?



it's interesting that the Swastika existed for thousands of years before Hitler came along... and he ruined utterly ruined it ( for now).
it's a really cool symbol... and i hope someday someone takes that power that Hitler still holds over people and revives the symbol into something better.
or we can be juvenile about it and cast it away for ever and ever ,amen... as if doing away with the symbol magically solves problems.
 
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The Confederate Flag is a symbol of shame, not pride. The south left the union to preserve the institution of slavery. Why on earth there should be a state sanctioned memorial to that is beyond me.
 
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Which cry babies, the victims of hundreds of years of being stepped on, or the crackas that have to have that flag on everything they own... And on state, public owned land?

I'm not interested in your racial epithets.. keep them to yourself.

which victims are you talking about?.. blacks or Indians?
 
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Weak and pathetic is your obvious support of racism, murder, and other atrocities represented in form of the US flag you senselessly cling to.

You want to end representations of deplorable acts of racism, just the ones you can comprehend.

No, I support a nation that can learn from its mistakes and go on t reach the goals and vision of the founders. I don't deny those things happened or that they are a part of our history... But, I'm proud that we learned from our mistakes and bettered ourselves. That is the human condition. The confederate flag can only make the claim of perpetuating inequality and injustice.

Don't worry, I don't expect you to be able to understand... Just know, that in my book, you are as anti-patriotic as they come.

It's time for it to go.
 
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The Confederate Flag is a symbol of shame, not pride. The south left the union to preserve the institution of slavery. Why on earth there should be a state sanctioned memorial to that is beyond me.

it means different things to different people.... no one holds the "true meaning".
 
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why not pull the US flag down then?.. American Indians have that flag thrown their face all the time... aren't they worth consideration?.

The American Flag represents the United States. The United States is not a perfect country and has in its history done a lot of wrong just like all countries. However, the American doesn't just represent our actions against Native Americans, or denying women the right to vote in the past and so on. It also represents all the good things this country has done.

In contrast, the Confederate Flag represents one thing: A group of Southern states that left the union in an attempt to preserve the institution of slavery. It is a flag the represents slavery, the most evil institution ever conceived of by man. There is no pride or honor in that.
 
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It is a symbol of desire for racist institutions. If the "south" wants to fly a flag of their heritage, a nice white one will suffice.

In no way should the flag of a group who fought and killed citizens of the USA be flown on government property, let alone still exist.
 
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Should the Confederate Flag be removed/abolished?

I say no. The argument is that it represents racism and slavery. That is stupid. So does the American Flag.

The Confederate battle flag was abolished when the Southern States lost big time at their pathetic attempt to secede from the US Constitution in order to keep the enslavement of people based on race alive. Despite what rednecks think their rebel flag is a symbol of defeat. And not only defeat the flag represents all of what was bad about Confederate ideology.

But there should be no law banning a flag no matter the flag. Such outcry is why pure democracies are bad.
 
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The American Flag represents far more than just slavery. The Confederate Flag represents a group of states that left the union in an effort to preserve the institution of slavery. That is a big difference.

By your reasoning there is nothing wrong with flying the Nazi flag being that America committed genocide against Native Americans.

Other than that never being a flag of Americans I would agree although basically nothing compares to the horror of the Nazi's.
 
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I'm not interested in your racial epithets.. keep them to yourself.

which victims are you talking about?.. blacks or Indians?

Do you mean Asian Indians or American Indians? LMAO
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Should the Confederate Flag be removed/abolished?

I say no. The argument is that it represents racism and slavery. That is stupid. So does the American Flag.

That makes no sense. Not in a modern context anyway. The American flag has evolved and means something different today then it did then.. I assume the Confederate flag has as well, at least in some circles, but Jesus let the rest of us in on that secret already. I would no sooner wave a Confederate flag that a swastika because regardless of the fact that each group did some things well they predominately represent hate, exclusion and although to different levels and certainly in different ways, genocide.
 
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Other than that never being a flag of Americans I would agree although basically nothing compares to the horror of the Nazi's.

The confederacy compares to it. The entire reason for the confederacy was the attempt to preserve the institution that enslaved millions. That is about as evil of a cause as you could come up with. I love the south but in my opinion there should not even be a single memorial for a confederate soldier. The Civil War is a shame upon the South just like the Nazi era is a shame upon Germany.
 
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The Confederate battle flag was abolished when the Southern States lost big time at their pathetic attempt to secede from the US Constitution in order to keep the enslavement of people based on race alive. Despite what rednecks think their rebel flag is a symbol of defeat. And not only defeat the flag represents all of what was bad about Confederate ideology.

But there should be no law banning a flag no matter the flag. Such outcry is why pure democracies are bad.

But should it be banned from government buildings?
 
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the American flag is also a symbol of racism and segregation... wanna take that one down too?

that makes no sense
 
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The Confederate flag is from a foreign nation that we successfully conquered. All the other stuff notwithstanding, why would we (read: our government) want to celebrate that?
 
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At least that flag wins wars. The other one got it's ass handed to it in the only war ever fought for it.

110,000 dead union soldiers could probably inform you that the CSA was ground down- it did not "have its ass handed to it"
 
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Other than that never being a flag of Americans I would agree although basically nothing compares to the horror of the Nazi's.


I'm not sure how you can make that claim without some set of metrics.

No, I'm not defending or advocating for the Nazis.
 
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That makes no sense. Not in a modern context anyway. The American flag has evolved and means something different today then it did then.. I assume the Confederate flag has as well, at least in some circles, but Jesus let the rest of us in on that secret already. I would no sooner wave a Confederate flag that a swastika because regardless of the fact that each group did some things well they predominately represent hate, exclusion and although to different levels and certainly in different ways, genocide.

Not to the racists.... To the racists it means exclusive inclusiveness. It means brotherhood.
 
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110,000 dead union soldiers could probably inform you that the CSA was ground down- it did not "have its ass handed to it"

Its soldiers, as a % of the total military force, were killed on nearly a 2 to 1 basis. That is the definition of getting your ass handed to you in largely conventional 'hand to hand' combat type warfare- you know, the situation where typically #'s matter most.
 
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That flag should be burned in public.
 
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Its soldiers, as a % of the total military force, were killed on nearly a 2 to 1 basis. That is the definition of getting your ass handed to you in largely conventional 'hand to hand' combat type warfare- you know, the situation where typically #'s matter most.

No, it is indicative of an force getting increasingly outnumbered. It shows nothing about fighting prowess. In fact, the CSA won or tied far more battles than they lost.
 
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and the States have their flags too....some of which have the battle flag as part of it.<shrug>


when all is said and done.. .it's a flag.
it doesn't cause racism.. it doesn't cause murder... it doesn't cause slavery.. it doesn't cause segregation.

True. But it represents those things and condoning it's presence indirectly endorses that ideology in the eyes of many people it also can be seen as the dismissal of a pretty profound injustice.
 
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