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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I understand your point. I really do. There is validity to it. I guess I value considering the social repercussions of empathy on our society as a whole, more worthy. In this case, for me, there is more value to our community in respecting the justified outrage and outcry of black americans than there is denying it to cater to a select few who may in all sincerity hold a wholly different connection to this symbol. I think of it as grace and I respect it
    I understand the position you are coming from. That is why I do not support it being endorsed by any state on state grounds, other than those state grounds dedicated to burial grounds for civil war dead, or battlefield memorials, etc.

    General 'monuments' to a particular General or what not do not need a flag flying over them per se.

    However, I also despise groups like the KKK holding rallies to defend the flag, as it does nothing for those who respect the flag due to their heritage, only hurts them.

    In the end... I think our nation wasted an opportunity to have a real discussion on the coattails of the actions of both black and white citizens in Charleston, who handled this tragic incident beautifully as a community should (overall), by divulging into a petty debate over a flag... as if that is going to change anything, or improve race relations in any way.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I understand the position you are coming from. That is why I do not support it being endorsed by any state on state grounds, other than those state grounds dedicated to burial grounds for civil war dead, or battlefield memorials, etc.

    General 'monuments' to a particular General or what not do not need a flag flying over them per se.

    However, I also despise groups like the KKK holding rallies to defend the flag, as it does nothing for those who respect the flag due to their heritage, only hurts them.

    In the end... I think our nation wasted an opportunity to have a real discussion on the coattails of the actions of both black and white citizens in Charleston, who handled this tragic incident beautifully as a community should (overall), by divulging into a petty debate over a flag... as if that is going to change anything, or improve race relations in any way.
    Yes, you're right. But social evolution takes place at a glacial pace and it's small gestures, like this one, that contribute towards our forward momentum. So while it may appear petty to some in and of itself because it clearly has much deeper to many and a show of respect in the form of empathy moves us all forward
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    1. Grandpapa's 1990's re-telling to her little girl wide-eyes of his time visiting a Confederate Old Age home in the 1930's and talking to a 100 year old rebel who spent most of his time in a Union prison during the Civil War

    2. Neo-confederate garbage from the White Supremacists Kennedy twins not a single legit historian recognizes as factual.

    3. Daughters of the Confederacy Lost Cause propaganda.

    ^ That's it, folks. The sum and full total of her sources.

    She still doesn't even accept the word "slavery" or "slaves" is in the Confederate Constitution.

    How's that for denial?

    Do you think she has a motive?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Do you think she has a motive?
    I know you were speaking to Paperview and not me, but I see alot of naivety in her posts. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it's like chum in the water.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I know you were speaking to Paperview and not me, but I see alot of naivety in her posts. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it's like chum in the water.
    I don't look at that it that way. While it is a fun exercise in futility, it's also a good opportunity to brush up on Civil War era history with what appears to be a true Lost Causer. But I don't expect to change her mind because it's obviously way too late for that but it is interesting to see how she rationalizes history to fit her worldview. Judging by the amount of attention she's getting, other posters must think so, too.

    Anyway, she's a blast from the past, so lets party like it's 1899. lol

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I don't look at that it that way. While it is a fun exercise in futility, it's also a good opportunity to brush up on Civil War era history with what appears to be a true Lost Causer. But I don't expect to change her mind because it's obviously way too late for that but it is interesting to see how she rationalizes history to fit her worldview. Judging by the amount of attention she's getting, other posters must think so, too.

    Anyway, she's a blast from the past, so lets party like it's 1899. lol
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Here's a great quote from one of Lincoln's contemporaries:

    "The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it were intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It is intended for perpetual union, so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government (not a compact) which can only be dissolved by revolution, or by the consent of all the people in convention assembled."
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    July 3rd is the anniversary of the final day of the battle of Gettysburg, which includes the infamous Pickett's charge.
    Great theme for a necktie party.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Great theme for a necktie party.
    Why would any confederate apologist try to celebrate somthing on the anniversary of the confederacies great defeat, more specifically the massacre of an entire unit of their troops?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Why would any confederate apologist try to celebrate somthing on the anniversary of the confederacies great defeat, more specifically the massacre of an entire unit of their troops?
    Because Pickett was an "honorable southern gentleman?"

    ...that hung an 11 year old bugle boy.

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